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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:40 am to
Posted by tigerfan24736
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:40 am to
Exactly what I was thinking, that is why she was acting like she doesn't know him in the message
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:51 am to
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Agreed. The whole series felt rushed. But at the same time, they included a bunch of stuff that didn’t need to be in there to tell the story that everyone wanted to hear. Frustrating.


It's a rare breed of show that can feel rushed AND have too much stuff at the same time, but here we are.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:53 am to
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Wish we could have gotten an explanation on how Reva survives? That seemed lazy in my opinion. Also should have just had much less of her and more of Darth from the 1st episode.


The only thing in Star Wars that kills you is not having the will to live.

Maul - Cut in half, dropped down a pit, survives without medical care
Vader - burned by lava, loses three limbs, survives after getting medical care WAY later
Fett - swallowed by a monster, in it for years, survives
Padme - Sad. Dies. While being attended by medical droids and advanced medical equipment.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:54 am to
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I’m still really surprised they had Obi Wan ragdoll Vader at the end. That’s not a diss to Obi Wan. He was def a top 5 Jedi during the Clone Wars, really only surpassed by Yoda, Windu and Anakin But it was still surprising to see him show off some impressive power and get after Vader’s arse, especially after we see Vader stopping a ship, ripping it apart like it was made of cotton candy and then basically burying Obi Wan in the beginning part of the fight.
Palpatine said in his message that Vader is agitated and conflicted about his old master and it makes him not think clearly. It makes him weaker. So much so that he fights much more wildly and with so much rage he leaves himself open to attacks he normally would have no problem blocking.

Hayden said in an interview Vader is still conflicted at this time in regards to Obi-Wan as well. He can say he’s not Anakin but his emotions say differently. When facing Obi-Wan he’s still the same overly aggressive padawan he always was and Kenobi uses it against him.

If Vader had been thinking clearly and not been so conflicted then Kenobi wouldn’t have stood a chance
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 11:55 am
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:54 am to
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white and privileged and male and heterosexual I really am


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heterosexual I really am


Was... this part in question for you before Disney?
Posted by tigerfan24736
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:55 am to
I liked how much they used the force in their duel
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:57 am to
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Enjoyed the last two episodes and dare I say they redeemed the show. These episodes corrected a lot of the complaints I had with the show:

Restored the actual Grand Inquisitor back to his place

Actually made Reva have a good backstory as a youngling / seeking revenge on Vader. This is way better than her just being some random Inquisitor trying to impress Vader by finding Kenobi

Implied Leia knows Kenobi in a New Hope, but is acting like she has not met him for secrecy reasons as Kenobi says

"Now I am the master" line still works in A New Hope. Anakin calls Kenobi master in the last episode. So the line still holds true. Vader obviously didn't see himself as the master quite yet.

Kenobi vs. Vader was epic. Truly. Vader had his badass moments but so did Obi Wan.

Finally saw Qui Gon force ghost. Wish we could've seen more of him, but I am guessing if they make season 2 we would see a lot more of Qui Gon.

"HELLO THERE!" - that was awesome



It's like this episode was written by Feloni in a last ditch effort to erase all the crap leading up to it.
Posted by tigerfan24736
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 11:59 am to
Not crazy to think that. I also think the show was always gonna finish strong considering it is Obi Wan vs. Vader.
Posted by Lakefront-Tiger
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:15 pm to
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Enjoyed the last two episodes and dare I say they redeemed the show. These episodes corrected a lot of the complaints I had with the show:

Restored the actual Grand Inquisitor back to his place

Actually made Reva have a good backstory as a youngling / seeking revenge on Vader. This is way better than her just being some random Inquisitor trying to impress Vader by finding Kenobi

Implied Leia knows Kenobi in a New Hope, but is acting like she has not met him for secrecy reasons as Kenobi says

"Now I am the master" line still works in A New Hope. Anakin calls Kenobi master in the last episode. So the line still holds true. Vader obviously didn't see himself as the master quite yet.

Kenobi vs. Vader was epic. Truly. Vader had his badass moments but so did Obi Wan.

Finally saw Qui Gon force ghost. Wish we could've seen more of him, but I am guessing if they make season 2 we would see a lot more of Qui Gon.

"HELLO THERE!" - that was awesome


ALL. OF. THIS.
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:19 pm to
Just finished it, and really enjoyed it. That was definitely the best episode of the season. I thought they actually tied everything together pretty nicely and it brought up the quality of the lesser episodes.

I guess I would have to say the series as a whole was a bit of a disappointment, as my expectations were sky high, but I still enjoyed the series and am glad I watched it. I liked it better than Boba Fett.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:25 pm to
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They shouldn’t have a season 2. That was a perfect ending


I'll disagree with this a bit. If they could put together a story that doesn't involve Star Wars canon (so they don't have to worry about what the original movies set up) and they can just do what they want to do with Obi-Wan, I think that would be awesome. I don't know what that is, and I don't know how you do it without Vader, but just a story separate for Leia, Luke, and all the other characters we already know. That could be really good.

I don't know the animated shows at all, but is there room in there for Maul? I know Maul and Obi-Wan meet again when Obi-Wan is older in one of the animated shows, but could they kind of fill in the gap the way they did here?
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:41 pm to
I could be totally wrong but I think Maul shows up only a year or two before ANH
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:23 pm to
He just leaves him? frick this goddamn piece of shite trash fricking show. frick Disney. frick Kathleen Kennedy. frick it all.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:25 pm to
Yep, should have killed him. frick the original trilogy
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:53 pm to
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Agreed that him not killing Darth was a real head scratcher.


Jedi aren’t supposed to execute defeated enemies
Posted by Crimson K
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:02 pm to
It took me a long time to admit the prequels sucked because there was some good stuff there like the fight with Maul in the first one. I. feel like that’s where many are with this show. There are some little moments that are good (but never great), but there is so much bad, and I mean way worse than the prequels bad, that the overall suck just overwhelms them. They writing and direction were subpar and bordering on criminally terrible at times. The adherence to canon and diminishing of existing characters was frustrating.

The good:
-Enjoyed the Vader/Kenobi fight, but it kind of came out of nowhere and was not exactly epic
- the Hello there line was probably the best moment in the series as far as fan service
-liked Owen and Bert protecting Luke
-the scene between Kenobi and Reva was actually good, but everything to get to it was NOT
- glad Qui Gon made an appearance, but would’ve been nice to get a little more bang for it

The bad:
-those people in the ship were sure attached to ObI-wan; why all the don’t go nonsense?
Reva just shows up on Tatooine, still injured but with no explanation at all of how she got there
-the real Grand Inquisitor was a wasted character; all he accomplished was getting stabbed and then showing up with no explanation a few eps later
- I cannot believe they had a black character do a home invasion; how did that get past the woke censor board?
-Kenobi realizes that Anakin is truly gone and then Let’s Vader go because?
-Kenobi leaves the planet from the duel; lucky that star destroyer didn’t stick around
-Kenobi’s character arc for the series was really abrupt. He went from cut off from the force and suffering PTSD to wiping the floor with Vader in a couple of episodes
-Luke didn’t get a single moment of consequence; couldn’t he get a moment of defiance against Reva or something? Especially after building Leia up over the whole series

The mind-numbingly stupid:
-the known connection between Kenobi and the Organas is going to just be forgotten?
-there is an at best morally conflicted character that knows all about Luke and his whereabouts and they are not going to move him? Reva needed to die for this to be even remotely believable
-the star destroyer can’t send some ships to chase one ship while going after the other? All the tie fighters pilots must be on strike.
-what is it about Disney SW movies and slow speed space chases that make no sense?
-Kenobi has super hyper light speed to get back to Tatooine in’s like 5 minutes

I’m glad some of you all liked it. Maybe just getting old and ornery, but for me it was a big letdown.

This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:02 pm to
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Jedi aren’t supposed to execute defeated enemies




mace was going to kill the emperor until Anakin stopped him.
Posted by Crimson K
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Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:09 pm to
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Jedi aren’t supposed to execute defeated enemies

Jedi aren’t supposed to use the force to attack either, bit Kenobi was tossing some fast balls in this fight.
Posted by SEClint
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:14 pm to
Got annoyed with any princess time in the final episode.

Way too much of her, she should have been part of 2 episodes at most. frick Disney for trying to turn this into a kid draw. There are disclaimers for violence and the people who wanted to see that shite the most are in their 30s and 40s.
Posted by Esquire
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Member since Apr 2014
14412 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:15 pm to
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mace was going to kill the emperor until Anakin stopped him.


When Palps told Anakin to kill Dooku he specifically mentioned it’s not the Jedi way.
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