re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

This is her original missing persons poster...



On it, it lists the car, make, color, license etc.. maybe someone approached him with the same info or he wasn't sure, whatever. Doesn't really prove anything.

I'm sure there are tons of inconsistent things you can point to. It's a fricked up case and wasn't handled/investigated properly. I just think it's turning into a witch hunt and freeing a guy that is probably still guilty is not cool in my mind. Would a new trial really prove anything and has anybody got anything new, that they could present, to show that it was somebody else? I mean like real proof..

I'm not saying Avery is guilty or not. I easily think Brendan Dassey is innocent. The only reason they wanted him was to make the Avery case a slam dunk.

The inconsistencies from the police and prosecutors is terribly disturbing. I know our justice system has gone away from innocent until proven guilty and it's a travesty. Read the statements from the excused juror in Avery's case. It was 3-7-2 not guilty on first ballet. 1 of the 3 was the father of deputy and steadfast on guilty.

And if someone can explain to me how the initial blood vile from his wrong imprisonment 20 years earlier has a broken seal on the box, container and syringe insertion mark into the vile itself, I'd love to hear it.

I have reasonable doubt, which is all that is supposedly necessary.

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I love the movie "12 angry men". At the beginning of their deliberations, it was 11-1 guilty. Until one guy changed all of their minds.

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I'm pretty sure everyone has seen it, it's a classic.

I do agree docs usually are one-sided and there is evidence that may not be seen.

I'd reading the reddit threads now.

The Avery case carries a lot of suspicion against Avery. Last seen on his property for AutoTrader. Charred remains and car found on his property. I buy less into the the key and bullet and blood evidence. It's very likely as presented the police thought him guilty, had good evidence, but wanted to put it over the top. All of a sudden they find a key with blood on it that wasn't there before, a bullet with DNA that wasn't there before. I don't buy into any of the blood to be honest, because if she was sliced and diced in the garage it would be everywhere. That thing looked like a normal storage garage, shite everywhere. No way you're cleaning every piece of that and the cracks in the cement that they jack hammered and found nothing. Why would Avery put her in the Rav4 if he raped her in his trailer and killed her in the garage? Non-nonsensical. The police thought he was guilty and decided to stack the deck by subversive activities. Their narrative of the killing is completely illogical.

It makes the Dassey case even more questionable.

Just finished this entire series. Some of my thoughts:

-Dassey's conviction is so god damn frustrating. It's disgusting he was convicted without zero physical evidence, and solely by a coerced confession.

-I can't understand for the life of me how the jurors got to beyond a reasonable doubt for Avery's trial (besides a few Guilty jurors being stubborn and refusing to look at the facts). There were so many holes that didn't make sense. If the prosecution argued that Avery was smart enough to clean up Halbach's DNA, then how does he make the mistake of just covering the car with a few sticks and not crushing it? The car key magically appearing after multiple searches. The car key only having Avery's DNA. Colburn calling in the license plate days before the car was found. I feel like I could go on forever with these.

-I feel bad saying this because his sister was murdered, but I couldn't stand Mike Halbach. Guy sounded like an absolute clown in every clip shown of him. Also, I guess he works for the Packers. So I now despise the Packers.

-That female reporter was so damn attractive.

-Avery's dad was awesome. In episode 10 when he slowly waddled around his garden and chowed down some lettuce on the spot, I lost it.

Watched the final episode last night, the only thing that struck me was when Brendan wrote his apology, he said he did not commit RAPE or murder. So, to be clear, there was absolutely zero evidence of rape at all except for this kids testimony who drew a stick figure on the bed 50 shades style. WTF. And anyone who thinks these two had the mental capacity to pull this off, might be crazy themselves.

If anyone asks my opinion on this, I will tell them not to watch it. It will just piss you off. frick Manitowoc County. frick Calumet County. frick Kratz and Kachinsky. frick that Butch Jones looking cop. frick Halbach's brother. frick Lenk.

Yeah, I'm mad.

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His nephew is kind of the same thing. He was coerced. But he confessed twice and then admitted to it on the phone to his mom. Plus he told other relatives before he was arrested. I can't trust him either. He should probably be institutionalized. But two signed confessions and the telephone call are pretty damning..

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I just don't see how you can convict Brendan given what we know about this case. There is no evidence that ties him to anything, all you have is his confession which is a huge joke. I don't think there is one piece of his story that can actually be supported by evidence.

I think that Bobby/Taydach most likely did the crime and perhaps Brendan knew something which conflicted him. Given his mental challenges, he was probably seriously confused about the whole thing hence his crazy stories and constant back and forth.

I think the police ran with Steve Avery and probably went as far as planting evidence. As the story unfolded they did everything they could to make the case work but the documentary clearly points out the inconsistencies.

As far as why the jury convicted him, all I can think of is some of the Reddit posts from people who grew up in Manitowoc County. Basically everyone thought he was guilty, all of the news stories were extremely slanted against him. You also have the fact that a couple of the jury members actually had ties to the government/police dept there. You are telling me the sherriff's dad is going to say he is not guilty and basically admit the PD is corrupt? Give me a break, never going to happen. Also can you think of the consequences a not guilty verdict would have brought? That is some serious weight the jury has to put on their shoulders. It is much easier to say he is guilty and just move on with your lives.

I still have 5 eps to go but I'm not really worried abotu spoilers.

Is it every theorized on who actually DID kill theresa? Clearly the cops were involved with planting evidence, but is it ever discussed on how this actually went down? The last whereabouts we know about her were she was at STeven's trailer. So at some point, someone would have to kill her, burn her in a fire on the property, and have the rav4 driven/parked on the property as well. Who did this and when?

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No clue. And hell, Steven may have did it. I just cannot wrap my head around how he did it, cleaned it up, and tried to cover it up, knowing what we know of the entire him and the entire family.

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thats the big one for me

How in the frick would a person that slow be able to clean up all the physical evidence at the scene leaving no trace of any blood but then wouldn't be smart enough to get rid of her car in his very own car crusher? That makes no sense at all.

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do agree docs usually are one-sided and there is evidence that may not be seen.

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This is the thing with documentaries............I'm still conflicted on the paradise lost documentaries.


However, I don't believe Dassey or Avery had the mental capacity to pull this off.