re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

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Phone records don't matter? Really?

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Do you have a timeline of these phone records? If they are available, I haven't seen them and I'd like to take a look.

I haven't made or answered a phone call in four days. Phone records are relatively inconclusive today, and were even more so eleven years ago.

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He is a moron

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I would say this is accurate.

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Oxygen bleach does not stain clothing.

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Of course it doesn't. They didn't use oxygen bleach.

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So you admit evidence could have been manufactured/planted?

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Of course it could. In the big scheme of things, it is unlikely. But hell yes, cops have been known to plant evidence.

Given the mountain of evidence, it wasn't necessary. What is more likely is that they conducted some illegal searches and so forth. So some of the evidence was not legally obtained.

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I addressed this above.

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Oh, you said that oxygen bleach doesn't stain. Of course it doesn't. But they found the bleach in the garage, and that stains clothing.

That is your big got you moment? I listed over 30 facts. And you state that hey, oxygen bleach doesn't stain. OK. Thank god. What does that have to do with anything? Even if they didn't find bleach on the premises, the fact that he said they used it and he had bleach stains that night identified by his mother. Further he said that he got them using bleach to clean out the garage. He jsut didn't say why they were cleaning the garage.

Again, the presence or absence of actual chlorine bleach is not an end all be all. Just because it was found doesn't mean they used it that night.

But they found it, he said they used it, and they have proof of him using it. So, when you add those three things together each one becomes more important.

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Just read that Mantiowac County is expecting a protest and possible counter protest tomorrow.

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This is great.

Here's the quote from the temple owl

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First off, they don't need to tell you how, where, or why she was murdered. They just need to prove he did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

When you have a burned chopped up body and only bones, it does make it difficult to prove how she was killed. But there are multiple possible times during what they did to her that they may have killed her. Did he strangle her to death? Who knows. Did the knife injuries confessed by BD kill her? I don't know. But I am sure the bullets fired into her killed her if she wasn't already dead. And they shot her in the garage.

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Look man this ain't a court room, just tell us how you think it went down.

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I am sure the bullets fired into her killed her if she wasn't already dead. And they shot her in the garage.

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Well this is a start.

Think she was shot how many times?
Fact is only one bullet was found and no blood.

So she was shot in the garage.
Thought you believed BD story?
iicr they tied her up on the bed and cut her.

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She made it all up yet it led to BD confessing. It led to BD giving them details they didn't know about. It led to those details being investigating and finding more physical evidence to back up parts of what BD was saying.

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How many times does it need to be posted that the press conference was March 4th and the cousing came forth March 7th? BD gave the answers he thought would get him home and 3 days later the girl went to cops and said "yeah he told me he did all that stuff months ago." They needed this girl because BD was already saying that the cops had gotten into his head with that sham of a questioning they put on.

So what do you think happened? And their slam dunk evidence of what happened includes Love Works handcuffs, BD said rope and chains, a bullet fragment found in relative plain sight months after they spent 8 days searching the place, and bones which an expert stated showed evidence of being moved in the firepit. (Which would have needed to be a raging inferno to leave the bones in the condition they were in)

Keep in mind none of this means he didn't do it, but the reasonable doubt is screaming at you.

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Of course it could. In the big scheme of things, it is unlikely.

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A corrupt police department that had already practiced unlawful procedure against Steve Avery and were facing a multi-million dollar lawsuit and the loss of their careers are the one's who found all the "evidence" which happened to be in plain sight but were missed by the other departments for days. Very unlikely...

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Of course it doesn't. They didn't use oxygen bleach.

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Pulled directly from the article you linked that appears to be where you obtained all of your "facts".

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The use of oxygen bleach (versus chlorine bleach) will degrade DNA to a point where it cannot be identified as belonging to a particular person. Oxygen bleach is a common household cleaning agent.

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Of course it could. In the big scheme of things, it is unlikely.

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You think it's unlikely that the main damning pieces of evidence were planted? Why, because the investigators and DA were such upstanding guys?

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That is your big got you moment? I listed over 30 facts.

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I'm just getting started.

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And you state that hey, oxygen bleach doesn't stain. OK.

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I asked if you understood it in the very beginning of this discussion. You said you did. It's now clear that you don't. Just admit it isn't "fact" and remove it from your list.

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Since everyone in this thread is speculating about the way evidence was destroyed on the scene

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What exactly are you referring to?

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I suspect a person that spent 8 years in prison can probably hear about and learn alot more about effectively removing evidence than anyone in this thread knows.

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I suspect that cops who have a grudge against someone who is suing them and could possibly ruin their careers, could easily plant evidence to frame that particular someone.

Its actually more likely the criminals effectively cleaned up than two local yokal police officers can handle and plant dna and blood evidence without completely contaminating or destroying it. :insert laughing emoji here:

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Its actually more likely the criminals effectively cleaned up than two local yokal police officers can handle and plant dna and blood evidence without completely contaminating or destroying it. :insert laughing emoji here:

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I'd make the bet that either of those officers has a higher IQ than Avery and Dassey combined. You're talking about decades of investigatory work, experience with finding evidence, and knowledge of how a criminal might try to hide it. It's not a slam dunk, but it's certainly a viable possibility.