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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:01 pm to
The garage a bullet fired from the defendents gun with the victims dna on it. Case closed. I dont know how they cleaned it up and I really don't need to. I have a murder weapon with evidence of a bullet containing the victims dna. Show is over. Drive home safely.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46515 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:02 pm to
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The garage a bullet fired from the defendents gun with the victims dna on it.


Maybe she touched the bullet before he fired it or picked it up after?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:08 pm to
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In either case just basic phone records are pretty damning. Particularly avery who is talking directly to victim


Was there a phone record of that? I'm not sure how much this matters, since it does nothing to establish any kind of timeline, but I'll pull that string for you.

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scene of the crime


Which was where?

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If you have a phone today you can pretty much show exactly where you are at any time of the day.


Sure, but we aren't talking about today.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:11 pm to
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It is completely obvious to anyone who is not a dipshite she was shot in the garage and burned in Steve's fire pit.


Not according to the jury.

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You maybe need to stop reading all this bs defense team propaganda and apply some basic common sense. She walked in was attacked and disposed of all in the same little area she was last reported to be alive and where her remains were found. It doesn't get any simpler really.


You need to stop relying on your version of "basic common sense", and start applying some science and reasoning.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:12 pm to
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Maybe she touched the bullet before he fired it or picked it up after?


Or, maybe it got there in a manner similar to how the lab tech's DNA got there.

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Unless you're saying the lab tech also touched the bullet before he fired it or picked it up after?
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46515 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:17 pm to
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lab tech's DNA got there.


Wait seriously?

I havent gotten there yet. Doesnt that rule out that piece of evidence?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:22 pm to
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Wait seriously?

I havent gotten there yet.


I could've said spoilers but I guess after 70+ pages it slipped my mind.

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Doesnt that rule out that piece of evidence?


Not in Manitowoc County.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:25 pm to
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The garage a bullet fired from the defendents gun with the victims dna on it. Case closed.


You're just as bad as those that say he's innocent no matter what. Same with the other guy and his "facts".
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:27 pm to
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Yes. Some are facts, some are speculation, some are irrelevant, and some are contradictory.


Break it down for me. I tried to leave my speculation out of there. And please explain to me what your issue with the bleach is. He said they used it. He had stains on his clothes consistent with using it, and they found it in the garage.

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You're doing exactly what you're accusing the documentary of doing.


Actually I am not. I am listing facts. I think they are pretty much self evident.

If you have a problem with one or two, please expound upon your issues. But if you just use blanket statements like I don't think your facts are facts, well, that is really ground breaking and informative there.
Posted by Rou Leed
Member since Jun 2015
1796 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:28 pm to
Enjoy the show. It does a great job of getting the audience to focus on details that don't really matter when you step back and look at the entire picture all together. It also slanders police officers and their credibility without any proof, which im hoping the officers realize and try to act on. Nobody ever really asks how the officers could possibly ececute a frame up so well without contaminating some evidence with their own dna. But I forgot those guys have super human powers and a long line of people supposedly covering everything up for them in fear of paying out a 40 million dollar lawsuit. The whole premise gives those officers way to much credit and severely overestimates their abilities.
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
18099 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:31 pm to
Steve Avery is gonna get exonerated sometime in the next year or two, I'd say there is a 99% chance. He never should've been convicted in the first place.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:35 pm to
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She obviously changed her tune when she realized she had to testify and would be in deep shite if she were caught lying. Which she would have because they were asking her to go into detail, something she couldn't do because... she made it all up.


She made it all up yet it led to BD confessing. It led to BD giving them details they didn't know about. It led to those details being investigating and finding more physical evidence to back up parts of what BD was saying.

So, we have a choice here. Either she lied on the stand and she was actually correct the first time. This then led to confession which led to evidence supporting said confession. See how everything lines up there?

The other possibility is she lied the first time and told the truth on the stand. That lie led to a fake confession that through just old dumb luck led to the finding of evidence to support the made up story that BD just kinda made up.

Interesting. Which do you think happened? One sounds a heck of a lot more probable.
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
11832 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:38 pm to
The just the "facts" guy can add a thousand more facts including whether or not the sun was shining that day too.

Once you get all the "facts" you need, tell us when, where, how, and why she was murdered. A simple long paragraph of 6-10 sentences should do.
Posted by JohnZeroQ
Pelicans of Lafourche
Member since Jan 2012
8536 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:41 pm to
You(Rou Leed) create an alter to come in here and justify some shite that even you dont belive.


Watching the last epsiode now... so over the top
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:41 pm to
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Was there a phone record of that? I'm not sure how much this matters, since it does nothing to establish any kind of timeline, but I'll pull that string for you.


Phone records don't matter? Really?

Ok. At the end of the day, lets just stick with this. She never answered her phone or made a call after she was seen at SA place.

He called her after the killing saying she never showed up. That message was left with his number. Many feel that he was trying to leave some alibi of sorts.

He later admitted that she was there. Why would he do that? He is a moron? A bit suspicious, no? Proof he killed her? Nope. But when taken with all the other things, it looks guilty to me.

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Which was where?


Bedroom, her suv while in garage, in garage, and fire pit.
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
1170 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:41 pm to
It also has been established she wenot to the cops after brendon's confession
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:42 pm to
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Enjoy the show. It does a great job of getting the audience to focus on details that don't really matter when you step back and look at the entire picture all together. It also slanders police officers and their credibility without any proof, which im hoping the officers realize and try to act on. Nobody ever really asks how the officers could possibly ececute a frame up so well without contaminating some evidence with their own dna. But I forgot those guys have super human powers and a long line of people supposedly covering everything up for them in fear of paying out a 40 million dollar lawsuit. The whole premise gives those officers way to much credit and severely overestimates their abilities.


It really does a great job. At the end of the day, it was an engrossing documentary. Not neutral by any means, but very interesting.
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
11832 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:43 pm to
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It also slanders police officers and their credibility without any proof


This rustles my jimmies.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:43 pm to
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Break it down for me. I tried to leave my speculation out of there. And please explain to me what your issue with the bleach is. He said they used it. He had stains on his clothes consistent with using it, and they found it in the garage.


I don't have the time, or frankly the desire to rehash every single item on your list one by one. Everything you mention has been addressed in this thread, and more than once I'd guess.

Oxygen bleach does not stain clothing.

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Actually I am not.


So you admit evidence could have been manufactured/planted?

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If you have a problem with one or two, please expound upon your issues. But if you just use blanket statements like I don't think your facts are facts, well, that is really ground breaking and informative there.


I addressed this above.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:45 pm to
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Once you get all the "facts" you need, tell us when, where, how, and why she was murdered. A simple long paragraph of 6-10 sentences should do.




The prosecution couldn't even do that.
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