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re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)
Posted on 1/27/16 at 4:00 pm to Rou Leed
Posted on 1/27/16 at 4:00 pm to Rou Leed
quote:.......bunch of words.
If I was inclined to continue communicating with you
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Hopefully the two criminals will remain incarcerated.
I'm OK with that, as long as they each get a new trial.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 4:01 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Nah, it's way more likely that two mentally retarded individuals possessed Dexter-like skills when cleaning up evidence, because one of them "heard some stuff in prison".
Posted on 1/27/16 at 4:46 pm to Rou Leed
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Its actually more likely the criminals effectively cleaned up than two local yokal police officers can handle and plant dna and blood evidence without completely contaminating or destroying it.
I would argue that the evidence was contaminated. The key had ONLY Avery's DNA on it. How the hell does that happen? And the Nancy Grace-looking blood gal admitted to grave errors in handling the evidence. etc. etc.
And yet a group of dipshits saw fit to ignore this.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 5:15 pm to StickD
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Well this is a start.
Dude, seriously? The start and finish of this is SA and BD raped and killed this girl and then burned her body.
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Look man this ain't a court room, just tell us how you think it went down.
Why? It is just conjecture. We only have her bones left. Heck, these two geniuses likely don't even know when she was dead.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 5:36 pm to thetempleowl
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Dude, seriously? The start and finish of this is SA and BD raped and killed this girl and then burned her body.
Like I said, you're the polar opposite of the "free Avery" crowd.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 5:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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The use of oxygen bleach (versus chlorine bleach) will degrade DNA to a point where it cannot be identified as belonging to a particular person. Oxygen bleach is a common household cleaning agent.
Dude, look up and find out they use clorox, a common cleaning bleach, to destroy dna. This bleach also stains dark colored clothes.
Just fyi, labs use clorox to disinfect and destroy dna. And yes, this is the naocl bleach, not the clorox 2 or the hydrogen peroxide bleach.
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You think it's unlikely that the main damning pieces of evidence were planted? Why, because the investigators and DA were such upstanding guys?
Her bones in the burn pit couldn't have been planted unless the entire crew was in on it. I don't think the police moved her car to the avery's yard from someplace else. And where did they get the blood to smear inside the car?
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I asked if you understood it in the very beginning of this discussion. You said you did. It's now clear that you don't. Just admit it isn't "fact" and remove it from your list.
Dude, you seriously need to look up your facts here. Labs use clorox (naocl) to clean up their equipment to prevent dna cross contamination.
Please check you chemistry and get back to me.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 5:58 pm to thetempleowl
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SA and BD raped
Where do you get this from? Is your claim that BD, on a first pass with the cops and entirely unprompted just burst out about raping her?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'd make the bet that either of those officers has a higher IQ than Avery and Dassey combined.
Seriously? Dude, stop with the ignorance. First you were wrong on the bleach stuff.
Avery and BD iq were likely somewhere around 70-80. On the low end, around seventy each, that makes them technically morons, because I believe the old scale said morons were from 51-70.
Yes, for all you people out there, the term idiot, imbecile, and moron were medical terms, just like cretin was. 0-25 iq was I believe imbecile, 26-50 was imbecile, and 51-70 was moron. Just interesting little history. However these terms, fell out of favor because people used these terms insultingly so it was switched to mental retardation. Well, mental retardation now has been used as an insult so can no longer be used and we now use learning disabled or some other term.
But lets say their iq were in fact around 70. Combined that would be 140 which would be extremely uncommon.
So no, there is little doubt they do not have a higher iq than SA and BD.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Where do you get this from? Is your claim that BD, on a first pass with the cops and entirely unprompted just burst out about raping her?
Dude, it is my opinion that both of them were involved in the rape and murder of TH.
I frankly don't care when it was mentioned. There is no evidence that she was raped because her body was burned. However he did admit to it. He did add points like drawing leg irons that looked like the ones that SA had purchased.
You know, this is just ridiculous. I will await to hear from the absolute genius that doesn't think clorox bleach destroys dna. I find this amazing considering clorox has been used in movies and tv shows for years to get rid of dna. And labs themselves use clorox to destroy dna in labs.
Just fyi, BD said they also used gas and paint remover I believe to clean up as well.
Anyways, after that I think I am out. People keep bringing up one point here and there and just ignoring the elephant in the room. Yes, that elephant in the room is the huge amount of evidence that supports that he did it.
But hey, the seal on the blood sample was broken! SA must be innnocent!
I'm getting out of this because I am wasting too much time.
I did however love the show. I did also love the way they portrayed certain things and left other things out.
They make a big deal about the hole in the vacutainer tube and the fact that the seal was broken but didn't you guys wonder why it wasn't shown actually being presented during the trial? It was because the defense lawyers new this was an easy ruse to refute. So they didn't mention it is trial. But the documentary people knew that was the case, yet they still made it a big part of the show.
It is interesting how this thing is filmed. Fascinating to get a reaction from a group of people. Furthermore, it is fascinating to see the circle jerk this movie has brought out in everyone. I get it. No one trusts the government, including me. However lets get a grip people.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:19 pm to thetempleowl
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Dude, it is my opinion that both of them were involved in the rape and murder of TH.
Why would rape ever have entered your mind if not for the Saw press conference by Kratz? We know she was murdered. It's fine to go with that as an assumption. We don't know she was raped. That's why I'm trying to ascertain what I might have missed that points with such certainty to a rape. Please enlighten me without going into a bunch of other extraneous bullshite like this last post of yours. I'll grant you a do-over.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:21 pm to thetempleowl
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Dude, look up and find out they use clorox, a common cleaning bleach, to destroy dna. This bleach also stains dark colored clothes.
Just fyi, labs use clorox to disinfect and destroy dna. And yes, this is the naocl bleach, not the clorox 2 or the hydrogen peroxide bleach.
They used bleach to clean the floor. I've used bleach to clean my floors as well. Maybe I did it.
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Her bones in the burn pit couldn't have been planted unless the entire crew was in on it. I don't think the police moved her car to the avery's yard from someplace else. And where did they get the blood to smear inside the car?
A three year old with a sand bucket could've put her bones there. This might be one of the most compelling pieces of evidence, but it's far from conclusive. I don't think the police as a whole moved her car there, either. The blood, you realize, could have still come from evidence, right?
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Dude, you seriously need to look up your facts here. Labs use clorox (naocl) to clean up their equipment to prevent dna cross contamination.
Please check you chemistry and get back to me.
I already have. I'm simply pointing out errors in yours. Give us all another rundown of why you say it's "fact" that bleach was used to clean up blood in the garage. This time, use the correct information.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:33 pm to thetempleowl
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Seriously? Dude, stop with the ignorance. First you were wrong on the bleach stuff.
Seriously, unless you also believe that Lenk and Colborn were morons. We're talking about two police lieutenants. That doesn't mean they're both Mensa members, but as I said, I'd take that bet.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:48 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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They used bleach to clean the floor. I've used bleach to clean my floors as well. Maybe I did it.
genius. Nothing more to say here.
So you were wrong on the bleach and now this is what you say. Please look back and see how the bleach ties into the overall story.
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A three year old with a sand bucket could've put her bones there. This might be one of the most compelling pieces of evidence, but it's far from conclusive. I don't think the police as a whole moved her car there, either.
She couldn't have arranged it and intermingled it with the belts of the tires.
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The blood, you realize, could have still come from evidence, right?
Could have? Well, if you mean like a snowflakes chance in hell, than yes. But not any significant chance.
It was tested for edta and that test is extremely sensitive. It doesn't mean it couldn't have come from that tube, but the likelihood is likely beyond a reasonable doubt.
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I already have. I'm simply pointing out errors in yours. Give us all another rundown of why you say it's "fact" that bleach was used to clean up blood in the garage. This time, use the correct information.
Seriously? They used bleach and some other things to clean up the blood. That was stated by BD. That was not suggested by the police. And while they didn't get rid of luminol evidence of what is likely blood on the concrete, they got rid of the dna evidence.
By his confession, they used the bleach and some other things to clean up the blood. Whether it is a good agent to clean up blood, well, actually it denatures the dna and is great for that but doesn't get rid of the hemoglobin I believe. They didn't know that.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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We're talking about two police lieutenants. That doesn't mean they're both Mensa members, but as I said, I'd take that bet.
You would lose that bet. The likelihood of either of them having an iq that high is low. I will win that bet way more than I lose it. And the 140 is likely on the low end. If these guys have like 75s, that is still below normal but means their iq would have to be 150 which is exceedingly rare.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Like I said, you're the polar opposite of the "free Avery" crowd.
Yep. I agree with that.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 6:58 pm to thetempleowl
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genius. Nothing more to say here.
So you were wrong on the bleach and now this is what you say. Please look back and see how the bleach ties into the overall story.
I did. I also proved it wrong. You apparently just have not figured it out yet.
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arranged it
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Could have? Well, if you mean like a snowflakes chance in hell, than yes. But not any significant chance.
I forgot the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Office is full of morons that couldn't possibly pull this off. Not unlike the criminal masterminds they were dealing with.
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It was tested for edta and that test is extremely sensitive.
I'm giving serious consideration to just let you keep talking instead of trying to prove my point on my own.
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Seriously? They used bleach and some other things to clean up the blood. That was stated by BD. That was not suggested by the police. And while they didn't get rid of luminol evidence of what is likely blood on the concrete, they got rid of the dna evidence.
Yes, seriously. "Most likely" blood? Is that your expert opinion?
But not all of the DNA evidence. They used special bleach that only rid the entire garage of any trace of the victim's DNA.
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By his confession, they used the bleach and some other things to clean up the blood. Whether it is a good agent to clean up blood, well, actually it denatures the dna and is great for that but doesn't get rid of the hemoglobin I believe. They didn't know that.
You're almost there.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:00 pm to thetempleowl
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You would lose that bet.
Set it up. Get Lenk and Colborn to take a few tests. I'll bet you a bowl of mashed taters. You'll need Avery and Dassey as well.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:00 pm to thetempleowl
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It was tested for edta and that test is extremely sensitive. It doesn't mean it couldn't have come from that tube, but the likelihood is likely beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 11:01 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Where was it stated that unidentified blood was found on the garage floor? That's a first heard for me.
Posted on 1/29/16 at 8:43 pm to Argonaut
Nothing.
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