re: New Netflix docu-series "Making a Murderer" (Spoilers)

Whether or not he did it, I think it is clear that evidence was planted and he should have never been convicted based on what we saw from the Netflix series. However, I know a lot was left out since the series takes a very clear stance in the matter. I wish they had done a better job and playing both sides. Serial was better at this even though I felt Sarah let her own feelings about the case seep into her work, she made a real attempt to show all sides.

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The most interesting thing about this documentary is that the most moral people involved with this case were the defense attorneys. I mean, they were the most believable and likable people in this documentary. On top of that, the prosecution and the sheriff's department were complete jack asses. That was the main thing that drove the documentary. I do believe that ultimately Steve committed the crime, but damn those defense attorneys were fantastic. Although I believed about 80% of what they said,

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The two defense guys were fantastic. Did their jobs exactly as a defense attorney should in the eyes of the law.

There was never a sense that they were trying to help him get away with murder. Only a sense that they wanted a fair look at the entire thing.

I think one of the more underrated quotes was when the one defense attorney basically said, "regardless of all of this, I'd be stone cold scared if bones were found in my yard"

I don't recall him saying he firmly believed Avery was innocent the way Jerome did. Did he? I think you could almost tell towards the end he was way more concerned for what happened to Brendan.

I'm also now in the camp that thinks Avery did it. Did he get a fair trial? Hell no. Should the police also be accountable for the way they handled things? Yes.

I think people also overstate and its skewed about the missing cell phone evidence, the ex bf, etc. If there was more to those stories, the defense teams investigators would have come up with something else.

I know that the Judge ruled they could not use 3rd party, but to this day there is STILL no other likely suspect, and that just seems way too coincidental in such a small shitty town like that. I know the lawyers said those trails go cold with the delay etc, but if there was something else, I feel like it would have been uncovered somewhat by now.

There's literally nothing else out there. At least that I have seen or read.

The whole damn thing is just so completely bizarre.

It's like nothing I've ever seen before. I'm sure its the same for most and the reason it's so fascinating.

I guess I'm in the "he more than likely did it" club. Like I said, don't think that means he should be in jail based on the trial but at this point it is what it is. But then again, maybe I have some bias just cause I'm uber creeped out by the white trash family etc. But I was also really really creeped out by Katz and just knew it was too good to be true. It was no surprise that stuff started to come out in the series about his ethics.

There is just nothing else pointing in any other direction. That really bothers me. It is too far fetched for me to think the cops actually killed her, and to me, that is really the only alternative based on what I've seen.

Someone would have broken by now if it was a true conspiracy. It took way too many people to orchestrate the ENTIRE thing.

Only took a couple to organize the small plants which did in fact happen, I just think they wanted to nail him soundly when hardly any other evidence was appearing.

If we are just taking planting evidence 1 or 2 cops could have done that.

I finally watched the last season of Dexter and something struck me. How could he have ever been prosecuted if he was ever caught, according to the people in this thread? Lets say Doakes finds his blood slides, through a questionable search of Dexter's apartment. Maybe they find his kill kit and some questionable seaches on his computer. Would the DA prosecute him? Yeah, he would have..

They have blood samples from all these missing people that aren't connected. But they don't have the bodies, the murder weapon, a theory of how or where he killed them, no motive and Dexter was highly educated with no criminal record. But he knew that one box was enough to put him away for life.

That is what alot of people have failed to see. It doesn't take much.. its a strange parallel to a silly show. But people keep bringing up Dexter and made me think of that..

I don't know if he's guilty but how do they explain the hole in the cap of the tube of blood?

In the part where he's on the phone saying it was tampered the lawyer stated someone told him from labcorp that's not how it's done and it shouldn't have been there fwiw

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Thats how the tube is filled up. That is the system. One needle in the donor, another in the vial. The show did a horrible job explaining that. Blood is removed by removing the top.

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And the broken seal on both boxes? That's the system too?

Although that really did seem like a huge let down for the defense.

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Thats how the tube is filled up. That is the system. One needle in the donor, another in the vial. The show did a horrible job explaining that. Blood is removed by removing the top.

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No it isn't, quit spewing lies. The lab tech said specifically they don't fill tubes like that.

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There is just nothing else pointing in any other direction. That really bothers me. It is too far fetched for me to think the cops actually killed her, and to me, that is really the only alternative based on what I've seen.

Someone would have broken by now if it was a true conspiracy. It took way too many people to orchestrate the ENTIRE thing.

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It only takes two people to do this and those two people wouldn't say a word even after death. The county was being sued for $39mil, they didn't have that kind of money, and a Lenk and Colburn were facing potential jail time. In small towns like this, you can't rule out anything.