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My new unfavorite Trope is mathematical genius who just does quick multiplication
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:00 pm
I’m tired of scenes like 21 where the protagonist adds up random figures, multiples to do a 15% discount and gets passed off as a genius level intellect.
It’s 2020 & people have had graphing calculators readily available since the late 90’s. That’s more of a party trick than a sign of intelligence at this point.
If it’s counting cards, like Rain Man & 21 maybe, but counting cards at this point is about how u pull it off more than doing the math. Every casino & every surveillance agent that works for them can count cards.
It’s 2020 & people have had graphing calculators readily available since the late 90’s. That’s more of a party trick than a sign of intelligence at this point.
If it’s counting cards, like Rain Man & 21 maybe, but counting cards at this point is about how u pull it off more than doing the math. Every casino & every surveillance agent that works for them can count cards.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:35 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:04 pm to SHOtime Tiger
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I’m tired of scenes like 21 where the protagonist adds up random figures,
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It’s 2020 & people have had graphing calculators readily available since the late 90’s
21 is based on a book published in 1993.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:08 pm to SHOtime Tiger
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graphing calculators readily available since the late 90’s
Do you mean mid 80s?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:32 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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21 is based on a book published in 1993.
Sarcasm noted but I feel like you’re still making my point.
ETA how much of a hardon did u get responding to my “late 90’s” post with “published in 1993” correction? It had to feel good right?
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:41 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:34 pm to Shiftyplus1
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by Shiftyplus1
Do you mean mid 80s
Sarcasm noted but I feel like you’re still making my point.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:42 pm to SHOtime Tiger
That is because people who write scripts don't know the difference between arithmetic and actual math.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:11 am to SHOtime Tiger
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It’s 2020
I have questions. Is this something you're seeing regularly in 2020? 21 is 12 years old. Are you seeing this in newer movies? I can't really think of any newer "math" movies; I guess that's not really my genre.
Lastly, are you saying that card counting is also easy, or just the scene that's supposed to tell the audience someone would be good at card counting? If it's the latter, I get why they establish someone's intelligence with a simple scene of simple math. Math is not inherently cinematic in a visual way. Simplifying it for character exposition is an easy way to get a simple audience what it needs. Since 21 was written by a guy who wrote several Sandler comedies and directed by a guy who directed only crummy romantic comedies, they were probably also simplifying that math process for themselves.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:46 am to SHOtime Tiger
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That’s more of a party trick than a sign of intelligence at this point.
Most of the things used to signify intelligence are more or less party tricks.
Quickly doing simple math.
Solving a Rubik's Cube.
Spouting a litany of facts about some arcane subject.
There's nothing "hyper intelligent" about any of these things. Repeating lines of Shakespeare is no less impressive than repeating stats of monsters from D&D, or giving a detailed facts about Superman or Joe Burrow. There is nothing inherently intelligent about memorizing facts about things that interest you.
Want to solve a Rubik's Cube? Read the instructions.
To be fair, the reasons for this are simple:
1. Writers need to demonstrate the person is intelligent
2. They are given a very small window to do so
3. Most writers are good at writing, but probably not in things that could easily display intelligence
Think about smart people in your own life. How do you know they're smart? Was it a single moment, or situation? Or was it while the accumulation of many interactions, learning a bit here and there about them?
Hollywood decided, a long time ago, that demonstrating what intelligence REALLY is was hard. So these days it is all epiphanies (someone says something random, and the smart person deciphers it - like "My favorite color is red." "Red... that's it! The murderer READ the novel, and that's how we know who did it!" That's pretty bloody rare in real life. Also, Hollywood tends to treat smart people as just being SMART - as is in, smart at everything. Again, that's INSANELY rare (and usually involves a person learning skills that don't change rapidly but just require repetition to maintain, like learning languages or musical instruments, as opposed to constantly changing fields like Information Technology or Theoretical Physics).
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:52 am to Jay Are
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I can't really think of any newer "math" movies; I guess that's not really my genre.
Don’t be fricking obtuse. See what I did there? Math movie joke. It’s not math movies, it’s any random “genius” character in a movie. Heist movies, Spy movies, comedies, etc whenever they have a genius level character it’s typically portrayed by them doing some BS addition “really fast”.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:57 am to SHOtime Tiger
What new movies are you watching that have this?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 9:49 am to SHOtime Tiger
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Heist movies, Spy movies, comedies, etc whenever they have a genius level character it’s typically portrayed by them doing some BS addition “really fast”
Sure, I guess I don't keep many mental inventories of this kind of trope. I wish you had answered my questions, though. Instead you have given me another: Okay, you expanded the trope, but what recent examples (more recent than 21) do you have of this?
This could also be a "careful what you wish for complaint." Would 21 have been much better if the movie had taken 20 minutes to thoughtfully and visually establish a character's intelligence? Would we have had to do that for each major character? Would that fit with how stupid the rest of the movie is?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 9:52 am to gthog61
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That is because people who write scripts don't know the difference between arithmetic and actual math.
People who write scripts don't know anything except how to write scripts, and most of them suck at that too.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:05 am to gthog61
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That is because people who write scripts don't know the difference between arithmetic and actual math.
I feel like a lot of it is having to demonstrate to all audiences that a person is smart. If that person starts discussing high level physics, the vast majority of the audience will have zero clue what's going on.
They pick arithmetic so everyone in the audience understands it, and make that person really smart by just doing it really fast and really well.
Although I don't know how many movies like this OP is watching. There are like a handful.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 10:06 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:05 am to SHOtime Tiger
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It’s not math movies, it’s any random “genius” character in a movie. Heist movies, Spy movies, comedies, etc whenever they have a genius level character it’s typically portrayed by them doing some BS addition “really fast”.
What would be a better way to do it? Make sure we are told what they scored on the ACT or online IQ tests?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:11 am to skrayper
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involves a person learning skills that don't change rapidly
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repeating stats of monsters from D&D
By this definition (depending on your definition of "rapidly"), D&D monster stats is intelligence. I mean, it's on its 5th edition of rules since its introduction.
Those stats and rules change, bro! Come on!
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:39 am to Sasquatch Smash
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By this definition (depending on your definition of "rapidly"), D&D monster stats is intelligence. I mean, it's on its 5th edition of rules since its introduction.
Compared to IT or Theoretical Physics, they don't change much at all. They certainly change more rapidly than, say, a language or playing a musical instrument, but still.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:47 am to skrayper
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Compared to IT or Theoretical Physics, they don't change much at all. They certainly change more rapidly than, say, a language or playing a musical instrument, but still.
I just wanted to be silly and talk about D&D. Haha.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:11 pm to SHOtime Tiger
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It’s 2020 & people have had graphing calculators readily available since the late 90’s. That’s more of a party trick than a sign of intelligence at this point.
I mean.... its still hard to do. The alternative is literally using a computer specifically designed to do arithmetic.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:31 pm to SHOtime Tiger
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Sarcasm noted but I feel like you’re still making my point.
I don’t think you know what “sarcasm” means. And no, that was not sarcasm.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:00 pm to Jay Are
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Sure, I guess I don't keep many mental inventories of this kind of trope
Come on man don’t be a passive aggressive jerk. I threw out a random topic on the Movie board of a website named TigerDroppings aka Animal shite.
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wish you had answered my questions, though
I don’t even remember what questions you asked me.
ETA
Looked up your original questions and just want you to specify the parameters of your inquiry. How far back can I go, how many movies do I need, and is there any other criteria I need go reach before you approve of my question.
Seriously though it’s a pretty common trope in movies and tv. If u really want me to google evidence I’ll hit tvtropes.com
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 2:11 pm
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