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Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:35 am to
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24839 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:35 am to
Just finished season 2 and I thought it was really good. I like how they are working BTK into the story. Given that this season took place in 1980, I think we are going to see BTK over and over again for multiple seasons. My take:

1. The big reveal here is the detective's kid. I really think they did this because since season 1 they have been debating if serial killers are born or grown. They allowed his kid to show all the tendencies of a serial killer in his youth. I think there will be more of this in the coming season.

2. They do a poor job of relationships in this show. Really most of the external relationships mean nothing to the premise of the show.

3. The Manson interview as ok, I was not wowed like I was with the Ed Kemper actor last year. That guy should have won some award for that role.

4. By far the best part of the season was trying to find the Atlanta child killer. I thought that entire segment was well done and portrayed how hard it was to stop a random killer and all the racial tension of 1980's Atlanta.

Overall I would say 8.5/10 for this season.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 12:41 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89634 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:40 am to
Just finished up last night and agree with pretty much all you said. I was enthralled wiht the atlanta storyline. I couldn't care less about anna torvs gf or holdens' gf in season 1.

Any ideas when they'll start shooting season 3?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115636 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Any ideas when they'll start shooting season 3?


Based on history I’d say 2030
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128054 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 11:45 am to
quote:

Any ideas when they'll start shooting season 3?


I don't think it has technically been renewed yet by Netflix yet, but it probably will be.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40598 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:00 pm to
Don't forget the great moment when Tench and Ford are in the car and Tench gives his idea on a possible motive.

Ford quickly dismisses it and says that the killer is an arrogant narcissist convinced of his own intelligence or something like that.

Tench just looks over at Ford and smirks.
Posted by StickD
Houston
Member since Apr 2010
11576 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:22 pm to
finished season 2 and I thought it was good, but not really good. It's good because the actors and direction. The show was way too drawn out for the story they used.

1. The detective's kid. They need to show some insight pov from him. So far all we know is he is a non-animated mute.

2. Relationships eat up time. It would be better if have they had some parallel or impact.

3. The Manson interview as ok, Ed Kemper still rules.

4. By far the slowest part of the season was watching the stake out at bridges in Atlanta.

Eta. Road blocks, like getting volunteers and memorials, Holden ran into were fine but they could have indicated that the director was going to fix stuff like this in the future.

Overall I would say 7/10 for this season.
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
The present
Member since Oct 2007
2028 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:44 pm to
Without giving spoilers, is this season worth watching? I enjoyed the first season, but now I have a 24 month old little girl at home and it's getting harder to watch stuff like this. I turned it off in episode 3 when they...

SPOILERS BELOW





go to the garage and see the burned outline of the crucified toddlers. fricking no thanks.

END SPOILER



Does it get worse? Maybe this show isn't for me anymore haha.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14555 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:51 pm to
I started watching and am up to episode 8, season 1. Good stuff, so far.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24839 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

24 month old little girl at home and it's getting harder to watch stuff like this


It is worth the watch if you like season 1 but this season is heavily focused on the death of children. View with caution if it upsets you.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128054 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:55 pm to
SPOILERS



No, it doesn't get worse, although there is a picture in the next episode of said toddler, but it really doesn't show much.

But if that disturbed you to the point you couldn't watch, this definitely isn't the show for you. That was pretty tame.
Posted by ToesOnTheNose213
The present
Member since Oct 2007
2028 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

But if that disturbed you to the point you couldn't watch, this definitely isn't the show for you. That was pretty tame.


Trust me, a couple years ago I would've called that tame as well. But having a toddler really changed my ability to watch shows like this.

Thanks for the replies, all.
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
13533 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:31 pm to
It doesn’t get any worse, but the rest of the season focuses mainly on the deaths of kids in Atlanta from ages 10-20ish
Posted by Emteein
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
3992 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

You missed the entire point. Part of the question is: "If a black kid goes missing in the late 70s, does anyone even give a frick? Would you even hear about it?"


How'd I miss the point exactly? He brought up a potential conspiracy theory.

"The cops being involved in some sort of cover-up makes too much sense sadly, that last scene with the ATL FBI agent explaining the 'white-washing' of that pedo-house and the polaroids. Decent chance others were involved and the APD has some knowledge/screwed the pooch, then swept the rest under the rug. White police force in a Black city in the 70s/80s doesn't breed confidence that the ultimate findings were thorough and legitimate"

If the murders stopped after the arrest then the conspiracy theory is pretty much disproved.

quote:

"If a black kid goes missing in the late 70s, does anyone even give a frick?


No.

quote:

Would you even hear about it?"


No, only if it makes the paper or evening news and its mentioned only once.

If we want to be perfectly honest, did the black politicians give a frick if the kids went missing? No. And thats not a white police issue. Is that exclusive to the 70s? No, to this day every night in america young black males don't make it home and are never seen again, other than the report on the evening news, no one gives a shite, blacks included.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68808 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

And the actor that played Williams did a hell of a job.


The casting is pretty brilliant. Manson was great. BTK is on point. Even the FBI guys are spot on. Ive liked both seasons so far.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
107262 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 6:56 pm to
I think tonight’s the night to start this.
Posted by SmackDaniels
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Mar 2007
15383 posts
Posted on 8/26/19 at 9:20 pm to
quote:

Don't forget the great moment when Tench and Ford are in the car and Tench gives his idea on a possible motive. Ford quickly dismisses it and says that the killer is an arrogant narcissist convinced of his own intelligence or something like that. Tench just looks over at Ford and smirks.


This makes for a great dynamic. I will go back and watch this again.

It's like a sort of changing of the guard with Ford and Tench. But really from Sheppard to Ford. So much to the fact that Sheppard retired. Main, Sheppard played that part well. It was like if you saw him IRL you feel like he really hated Ford to the depths of his bones.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13053 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:14 am to
quote:

If we want to be perfectly honest, did the black politicians give a frick if the kids went missing? No. And thats not a white police issue. Is that exclusive to the 70s? No, to this day every night in america young black males don't make it home and are never seen again, other than the report on the evening news, no one gives a shite, blacks included.


I don’t really want to get into some Poliboard like debate on the MTV board or really anywhere on the internet. I have horrible syntax when writing on here. After rereading what I wrote, I can see how it can come off inflammatory, so I apologize. I promise you it wasn’t meant that way.

I thought the show did an excellent job of detailing the poverty levels of the different groups they presented. It was nice and refreshing to see a show actually differentiate between gang embroiled black communities and lower income black communities.

It’s frustrating to see things talked about in literal black and white when there is so much more to it than that.

Fincher and company did a really excellent job of tackling a tough issue without coming off as heavy handed or politically motivated. They told a complete story. Fincher’s attention to detail is really what sets him apart. I’ve watched this season twice, and it was just as easy to watch the second time around. There’s only so much I personally (and I suspect the vast majority of viewers) can absorb when I’m trying to follow a story you’re interested and invested in. For the record, I watched it twice because I stayed up til 5 AM the first time around when the wife went to sleep at 11, so I rewatched it with her. I didn’t want to rewatch it for any particular reason. Fincher is just that good.


Completely unrelated....

For anyone who wants to watch a cool little 5 minute video on one of the examples of something that sets Fincher apart, this guy does an excellent job detailing how Fincher’s filming techniques translate into emotion when watching.

LINK
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13053 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 12:23 am to
quote:

Don't forget the great moment when Tench and Ford are in the car and Tench gives his idea on a possible motive.

Ford quickly dismisses it and says that the killer is an arrogant narcissist convinced of his own intelligence or something like that.

Tench just looks over at Ford and smirks.


I didn’t take that scene the same way you did.

I think both were projecting versions of the killer they could relate to.

Tench talked about how the killer was ashamed of who he was. Shame is I’m sure just one of the many emotions Tench feels this season regarding his son’s murdering an infant.

Ford talked about how the killer was full of hubris and a narcissist. One of Ford’s biggest strengths is his hubris and narcissism. Its also one of his biggest weaknesses. Hence why Tench and Carr are supposed to essentially aim Ford.

Ford in that scene seemed fully aware of how narcissistic and full of hubris he is. Tench smirked because he knew and Ford knew how close Ford was to describing himself.

Basically, it was a shared half joke.
Posted by Emteein
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
3992 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 8:30 am to
quote:

I don’t really want to get into some Poliboard like debate on the MTV board or really anywhere on the internet. I have horrible syntax when writing on here. After rereading what I wrote, I can see how it can come off inflammatory, so I apologize. I promise you it wasn’t meant that way.




quote:

thought the show did an excellent job of detailing the poverty levels of the different groups they presented. It was nice and refreshing to see a show actually differentiate between gang embroiled black communities and lower income black communities.

It’s frustrating to see things talked about in literal black and white when there is so much more to it than that.

Fincher and company did a really excellent job of tackling a tough issue without coming off as heavy handed or politically motivated. They told a complete story. Fincher’s attention to detail is really what sets him apart. I’ve watched this season twice, and it was just as easy to watch the second time around. There’s only so much I personally (and I suspect the vast majority of viewers) can absorb when I’m trying to follow a story you’re interested and invested in. For the record, I watched it twice because I stayed up til 5 AM the first time around when the wife went to sleep at 11, so I rewatched it with her. I didn’t want to rewatch it for any particular reason. Fincher is just that good.


Posted by Triple Bogey
19th Green
Member since May 2017
6572 posts
Posted on 8/27/19 at 8:39 am to
Just finished season 2. I tend to agree with most of the other posters. The relationships weren't interesting at all. I even got bored with the tench's son/wife storyline. The Atlanta stuff was great, but I hated all the moms who Holden was trying to help. Nobody wants to help them, and as soon as he tries to, he is met with anger and hostility on multiple occasions.
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