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re: "Midway" is expected to be a surprise #1 at the box office this weekend...
Posted on 11/10/19 at 9:22 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 11/10/19 at 9:22 am to RollTide1987
I thought it was great. CGI wasn’t awful as some had eluded it may be. Teared up a few times throughout.
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Posted on 11/10/19 at 9:47 am to RollTide1987
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That's because the '76 film only focuses on the Doolittle Raid and Midway, whereas the 2019 film focuses on Pearl Harbor, Halsey's raid in the Marshall Islands, the Doolittle Raid, the Coral Sea, and climaxes with the Battle of Midway.
That is too much material. Do the writers think their audience isn't aware of Pearl Harbor? Doolittle
e raid was thrown into Pearl Harbor movie too.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 9:49 am to rebelrouser
It's too much material for a two-hour-long movie to be sure. Which is why I feel Roland Emmerich was biting off more than he could chew and the script suffered for it. But you can't have a Midway movie without showing or at least talking about the Doolittle Raid. Yamamoto's plans for Midway don't get approved by the Emperor if not for that raid.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 9:54 am to Mizzoufan26
The Military Times savaged it in a review that starts with a description of the heroics of William Fentress, who served on the Yorktown and attended a screening of the movie. Then:
And they really got pissed about the last on-screen wording: "This film is dedicated to the Americans and Japanese who fought at Midway.”
Blockbuster ‘Midway’ sinks faster than Japanese carriers at ... Midway
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And while Fentress, with the help of the Yorktown’s commanding officer, Capt. Elliott Buckmaster, would board an adjacent destroyer and live to fight another day, the vet who has already endured so much was not spared Thursday from having to witness the battle’s retelling in one of worst war films since Michael “The Explosion” Bay’s “Pearl Harbor.”
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As such, the writing in “Midway” is astonishingly bad. Every character speaks only in a dialect of recruiting slogans, and for some reason, accents of sailors in the ranks of Emmerich’s Navy indicate an entire force that grew up as either rough and tough New Yorkers or yokels from the Bible Belt.
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After two-plus hours, a Japanese soldier catching a duck with a net in the 1930s flashback was the most convincing action sequence.
And they really got pissed about the last on-screen wording: "This film is dedicated to the Americans and Japanese who fought at Midway.”
Blockbuster ‘Midway’ sinks faster than Japanese carriers at ... Midway
Posted on 11/10/19 at 10:44 am to Twenty 49
I will say I was 100% surprised by the atrocious dialogue.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:50 am to RollTide1987
If they used actual planes and replica ships i would see it but the cgi makes it look complete trash
Posted on 11/10/19 at 12:57 pm to Twenty 49
wow that was a brutal review.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:03 pm to Twenty 49
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And they really got pissed about the last on-screen wording: "This film is dedicated to the Americans and Japanese who fought at Midway.”
I also could have done without that as they take you through the atrocities the Japanese put soldiers and civilians alike through.
At the end of the day though I can understand in that they had kids just following orders there giving their lives as well.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 10:00 pm to Mizzoufan26
Why would you dedicate a movie to the Japanese if they basically started the war
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:04 pm to stateofplay
I'm waiting on it to go ahead and come to cable due to terrible reviews... and I am afraid that it will just be too CGI for me...
But from what I am hearing.. It's just not that good...
But from what I am hearing.. It's just not that good...
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:19 am to WWII Collector
Mom and Dad in law saw it yesterday. They really enjoyed it. Both in their 80s
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:39 am to RollTide1987
Saw it with my Dad who was in the Navy from 69-89. He seemed to enjoy it. He said it reminded him of Tora Tora Tora just not as well done as the older film.
My opinions I thought it felt choppy, rushed, but that's probably because they were covering so much. I thought Skein and Harrelson did well but Quiad and Patrick Wilson were the best in the movie. Skein actually had a decent New Jersey accent. The other foreign actors most noticeable Luke Evans didn't even try it seemed.
The Pearl Harbor scene lacked any sense of urgency and just didn't have the gravity it should have had.
I liked how they had the Japanese mention that we had shite planes at the time which is true. Also like how characters mentioned we just have to hold on till the cavalry comes which is true.
I thought they did a good job explaining the dire situation the Pacific fleet had during this time. The intelligence saved our arse during this time and it was conveyed well in the movie. The wives and what some would say "love stories" did not interfere at all and did a good job being realistic in what those women were going through at the time. I honestly enjoyed the scenes with Layton and his wife. It showed how much stress he was under with fate of pacific theater going how it did because he did a good job or how if he failed the war could have went for years longer.
It's nothing amazing or a must see but not as bad as some have said. I'd give a 6-6.5 out of 10
My opinions I thought it felt choppy, rushed, but that's probably because they were covering so much. I thought Skein and Harrelson did well but Quiad and Patrick Wilson were the best in the movie. Skein actually had a decent New Jersey accent. The other foreign actors most noticeable Luke Evans didn't even try it seemed.
The Pearl Harbor scene lacked any sense of urgency and just didn't have the gravity it should have had.
I liked how they had the Japanese mention that we had shite planes at the time which is true. Also like how characters mentioned we just have to hold on till the cavalry comes which is true.
I thought they did a good job explaining the dire situation the Pacific fleet had during this time. The intelligence saved our arse during this time and it was conveyed well in the movie. The wives and what some would say "love stories" did not interfere at all and did a good job being realistic in what those women were going through at the time. I honestly enjoyed the scenes with Layton and his wife. It showed how much stress he was under with fate of pacific theater going how it did because he did a good job or how if he failed the war could have went for years longer.
It's nothing amazing or a must see but not as bad as some have said. I'd give a 6-6.5 out of 10
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:46 am to RollTide1987
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For whatever reason, film executives don't believe period pieces are profitable anymore. Yet time and time again they are proven wrong.
profitable or profitable enough? Its the same with AAA video game industry. If it doesnt rake in half a billion in profits its considered a failure.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:22 am to stateofplay
quote:well, yeah, let's get right on that. Shouldn't cost too much to make a couple ww2 era carriers
If they used actual planes and replica ships i would see it but the cgi makes it look complete trash
Now, I'm apprehensive about seeing this. I'm a child of the 70's, I saw Midway in the theaters when young. It helped form my tastes in movies (actually part of the appeal of Star Wars, it was similar in dogfight sequences).
This is a movie, that if bad, could stick awhile and ruin things.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:26 am to ThuperThumpin
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profitable or profitable enough?
I'd say it's probably a little bit of both.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 10:28 am
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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You have to explain the position of the Japanese Navy heading into the battle (the greatest in the world at the time) - the lowly position of America's Navy...
The Japanese plan and why? How we intercepted their plan?
How we were still outnumbered and had no right to win.
I mean it was an immense battle over vast areas of Ocean where scout planes would fly long distances looking for one of the enemies carriers which were spread out.
They did a good enough job explaining most of that, but failed on the scout planes and the disorganized nature of our attacks on the Jap carriers (torpedo planes and bombers attacking with no fighter support as they all got separated). It was a good way to kill a couple hours and eat popcorn.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:44 pm to Indefatigable
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Any inability to tell the story in the 2019 version has nothing to do with the battle’s intricacy and everything to do with Hollywood’s compulsive desire to throw in useless characters and storylines to appeal to a broader audience
At least they didn’t go full Pearl Harbor with a complicated love story.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:55 pm to PsychTiger
I liked it a lot. Didn’t go into it looking for amazing dialogue. Did the new Dolby AMC thing and my seat freaking moved with the sound of the movie depending on what was happening. Felt like I was in the movie. Made the air raids seem scary af.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:01 pm to Scoob
So you have never heard of shooting models to scale with minimal cgi added or using ships that appear similar to the era portrayed, like Nolan did in Dunkirk?
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 8:06 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:57 pm to RollTide1987
National WWII Museum review was not too kind:
Computer Degenerated
Computer Degenerated
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Sure, I hear you saying, but what about the main event? The battle sequences, those four Japanese aircraft carriers going to the bottom, the turning point of our war with Japan? Well, it’s all there, in full-color glorious CGI. It turns out that dive bombing a Japanese aircraft carrier in World War II looks very much like Luke Skywalker destroying the Death Star. The scenes are so similar that Emmerich may well have intended them as an homage.
Not a very good film, in other words. But oh, those pixels!
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