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Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:07 am to RollTide1987
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expected to be a surprise
Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:50 am to lsuroadie
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why cant anyone make decent WW2 movies, esp one of the greatest most intriguing battles in the war.
It was an overly intricate plan by the Japanese to wipe out our Navy once and for all (some historians say it was overly complicated.)
It was the first solely aircraft carrier battle that stretched miles and miles apart in the open sea...which can be confusing to convey to the viewer while still trying to be interesting to the viewer.
You have to explain the position of the Japanese Navy heading into the battle (the greatest in the world at the time) - the lowly position of America's Navy...
The Japanese plan and why? How we intercepted their plan?
How we were still outnumbered and had no right to win.
I mean it was an immense battle over vast areas of Ocean where scout planes would fly long distances looking for one of the enemies carriers which were spread out.
It's not an easy story to tell in full detail historically. That's why documentaries work best for a lot of WWII stuff.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 4:35 am to lsuroadie
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..literally, a director could make a hall of fame career doing nothing but movies from WW2 with some of the most epic story lines in the history of mankind....
Wake Island is an unbelievable story and I cannot believe it there hasn't been a modern movie version of this battle.
It was literally the 1st WWII movie released during the war (1942) and was nominated for multiple academy awards...I think more for the story line and timing than anything else IMO.
We're now on the 3rd remake of Midway not including a TV movie.Most folks who are into this genre are all to familiar with the story.
This post was edited on 11/9/19 at 4:53 am
Posted on 11/9/19 at 5:37 am to supatigah
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Midway script is laughably bad
Yeah...I had to roll my eyes at certain parts. The entire Jimmy Doolittle raid scene was terrible writing.
*Man enters wardroom*
Man: You gotta see this.
*Both men go up on deck and see the B-25 bombers on the neighboring carrier*
Man #2: WTF is this shite?!
You're telling me this is the first time you notice the giant B-25 Mitchells strapped to the neighboring Hornet even though they're literally about to launch?
This is what I'm talking about when it comes to too much going on in the movie for such a short running time. Had this film been three hours long, I'm certain they could have done a much better job introducing the Doolittle Raid. Instead it came off very awkward and clunky.
As someone said above, Midway is a very complicated story. The screenwriter, Wes Tooke, had his work cut out for him condensing the events that took place between Pearl Harbor and Midway down into a 120-page script. Because he had to cram so much into such a comparatively short script, the dialogue often suffers.
This post was edited on 11/9/19 at 5:41 am
Posted on 11/9/19 at 7:45 am to lsuroadie
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why cant anyone make decent WW2 movies, esp one of the greatest most intriguing battles in the war.
David Ayers Fury says hello. Also directed U571. Another damn good war movie.
Damn fine movie with fantastic acting from everyone and WW2.
I think you have to just simplify and condense WW2 movies. Long drawn out affairs spanning hundreds of miles are hard to tell clearly in a 2-3 hour film.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 8:48 am to Athos
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I think you have to just simplify and condense WW2 movies. Long drawn out affairs spanning hundreds of miles are hard to tell clearly in a 2-3 hour film.
A movie about Wake Island would be extremely easy to condense.Happened almost immediately after Pearl Harbor and a relatively short battle.
It's perfect for a remake
Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:10 am to RD Dawg
The problem is major Hollywood studios just won't risk dropping $100 million on period pieces anymore. It took Steven Spielberg of all people almost a decade to convince a movie studio to help him finance Lincoln. Mel Gibson had to fight tooth and nail to bring Hacksaw Ridge to the big screen, and its budget was only $40 million. And just recently, Martin Scorsese had to go to Netflix to make The Irishman.
It took Roland Emmerich two decades to make Midway. That's how long he had been trying to get people to agree to finance the production, and in the end it had to be financed outside the studio system with the help of China of all countries. It is now among the most expensive independent films ever made.
The days of films like Titanic and even Gangs of New York are over and done with. For whatever reason, film executives don't believe period pieces are profitable anymore. Yet time and time again they are proven wrong. Midway is about to be the #1 film at the box office despite a very small marketing budget.
It took Roland Emmerich two decades to make Midway. That's how long he had been trying to get people to agree to finance the production, and in the end it had to be financed outside the studio system with the help of China of all countries. It is now among the most expensive independent films ever made.
The days of films like Titanic and even Gangs of New York are over and done with. For whatever reason, film executives don't believe period pieces are profitable anymore. Yet time and time again they are proven wrong. Midway is about to be the #1 film at the box office despite a very small marketing budget.
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Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:21 am to RollTide1987
I don’t see how this is a huge upset.
This post was edited on 11/9/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:26 am to RollTide1987
I’d like to see more historical movies that aren’t WWII. I’m burnt out.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:27 am to biglego
Netflix is a good place to start. The presumptive Oscar front runner drops later this month. Martin Scorsese’s The Irishman.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:50 am to RollTide1987
It was a great movie. Had it’s corny moments but no corny love story so that’s good. Focused on the historical players in the battle and it’s effect on turning the tide of the war.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 11:40 am to RollTide1987
In related news, Terminator DF is projected to drop 74% this weekend 
Posted on 11/9/19 at 11:43 am to RollTide1987
I caught it midway through
half as good as I was hoping
half as good as I was hoping
Posted on 11/9/19 at 11:52 am to RLDSC FAN
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Terminator DF is projected to drop 74% this weekend
Good. This SJW habit of inserting females and minorities into the white male roles of already established franchises needs to end. The Terminator “franchise” should end with it.
Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:27 pm to RollTide1987
The resident liberals will soon be here to ask why you love Hitler
Posted on 11/9/19 at 12:35 pm to biglego
Pearl Habor was a bigger surprise
Posted on 11/10/19 at 3:38 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It was an overly intricate plan by the Japanese to wipe out our Navy once and for all (some historians say it was overly complicated.) It was the first solely aircraft carrier battle that stretched miles and miles apart in the open sea...which can be confusing to convey to the viewer while still trying to be interesting to the viewer. You have to explain the position of the Japanese Navy heading into the battle (the greatest in the world at the time) - the lowly position of America's Navy... The Japanese plan and why? How we intercepted their plan? How we were still outnumbered and had no right to win. I mean it was an immense battle over vast areas of Ocean where scout planes would fly long distances looking for one of the enemies carriers which were spread out. It's not an easy story to tell in full detail historically. That's why documentaries work best for a lot of WWII stuff.
Yea, swing and a miss with all of that. there is already a movie about Midway that explains everything you mentioned perfectly in 2+ hours.
Any inability to tell the story in the 2019 version has nothing to do with the battle’s intricacy and everything to do with Hollywood’s compulsive desire to throw in useless characters and storylines to appeal to a broader audience
This post was edited on 11/10/19 at 3:43 am
Posted on 11/10/19 at 3:40 am to RollTide1987
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Midway is a very complicated story. The screenwriter, Wes Tooke, had his work cut out for him condensing the events that took place between Pearl Harbor and Midway down into a 120-page script. Because he had to cram so much into such a comparatively short script, the dialogue often suffers.
I don’t understand this excuse when there has already been a movie on this event that does not have this issue.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 5:38 am to Indefatigable
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I don’t understand this excuse when there has already been a movie on this event that does not have this issue.
That's because the '76 film only focuses on the Doolittle Raid and Midway, whereas the 2019 film focuses on Pearl Harbor, Halsey's raid in the Marshall Islands, the Doolittle Raid, the Coral Sea, and climaxes with the Battle of Midway.
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