re: Maester's Thread - A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (S1, HBO) - Book Spoilers

quote:

---

Ummm.... Dunc said plain as day "Why did you never Knight me?" Thats about as clear as they could be.

---

Do you think Arlan died right after he said that or something? Are you assuming they never had another conversation?

I'll say it for the 20th time in this thread because it seems like that's the only storyline people care about but the showrunners said that whether he was knighted or not does not matter, they are not telling it one way or another.

It changes a lot for the end of the Mystery Knight.

It also changes the fundamental character of Egg and Maekor. Egg respecting his dad and Maekor respecting Dunk.

quote:

---

Do you think Arlan died right after he said that or something? Are you assuming they never had another conversation?

---

Dunc was talking to a ghost. It was an internal convo he was having with Arlan in a dream. It wasn't a memory of an actual convo that Dunc had with Sir Arlan. Just Dunc asking the figuritive Sir Arlan the question that has been plaguing him.

Yeah, it's a great show, but there are definitely some cracks that could be an indication of future retarded choices the show might make. I'm still not happy about how they portrayed Lyonel and the fat whore cucking Raymun is annoying.

We'll see. We've gotten a lot of great season ones of shows that turned out badly.

quote:

---

Dunc was talking to a ghost. It was an internal convo he was having with Arlan in a dream. It wasn't a memory of an actual convo that Dunc had with Sir Arlan. Just Dunc asking the figuritive Sir Arlan the question that has been plaguing him.

---

I don't know. Just read up on numerous episode recap articles because I guess I was misinterpreting this scene and none of them said it was his ghost. All the ones I read said it was a memory not long before Arlans death. Hence the comedy aspect of it with him falling asleep and waking back up to finish the story. Don't think a ghost would really be comedic like that And the entirety of the show every scene with Arlan is a flashback, would be weird to make the very last scene with him as not being a flashback but a ghost.

quote:

---

Next we get one of the most interesting scenes of the episode, where Dunk thinks back to what may well be his final moments with Ser Arlan of Pennytree (Danny Webb). As Ser Arlan explains the meaning behind his name, and how in his village young men hammered a penny into an oak tree when they went off to war, Dunk asks a burning question: why did Ser Arlan never knight him? This seems to confirm a subtle theory from the novella, which is that Dunk was never actually knighted by Ser Arlan before the old hedge knight died.


But A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms does love its humor, and rather than make it explicitly clear that that's what happened, Ser Arlan wakes back up after seemingly dying, to cheerily finish off his story. Was that last bit a figment of Dunk's imagination? Did Ser Arlan actually get a second wind and knight Dunk? The show doesn't answer these questions, and it almost feels like the writers knew diehard fans would be rabid for this reveal, and decided to troll them instead of giving it to them. Which I kind of love, if I"m being honest.

---

Edit: I've read like 8 episode recaps now and all of them say it's a flashback fwiw.

quote:

---

Do you think Arlan died right after he said that or something? Are you assuming they never had another conversation?

---

That was where he was dying. There weren’t many conversations left to be had if any.

quote:

---

I'll say it for the 20th time in this thread because it seems like that's the only storyline people care about but the showrunners said that whether he was knighted or not does not matter, they are not telling it one way or another.

---

You seem to care a lot about it being ambiguous. No one else really thinks it’s a big deal. It was just something they added which adds interest. Chill.

quote:

---

Well in sworn sword he shows the chick the ring he got from maekor to prove who egg is

---

Maybe Egg took the ring with him cuz he isn't dumb. Or maybe MAekor sends a rider with the ring and instructions once he figures out where Egg went. There are ways to remedy this without killing the story.

quote:

---

I don't think this is true.

It was a flashback. They were at the same location as the opening scene.

If he was talking to a ghost, it would not have been necessary to move the location.

---

I will have to rewatch the scene but I believe the change of scenery can be explained by the fact that Dunc was either dreaming or day dreaming. And the dialogue from Dunc siuggests that he is talking to a person about something they can no longer remedy. I believe he said "Why DIDN'T you Knight me" as in you had the chance to knight me when you were alive but now you're dead and you can't any longer. If it were a memory/flashback IMO, Dunc would have worded it like "When will you knight me?" or "Do you plan to knight me one day?" , etc.

I also think the comic relief is the same explanation of all the comic relief in the Arlan flashbacks. Dunc remembers him as an honorable, noble knight. When in reality he was a grumpy, drunk.

Maybe they go to Dorne first then you see how he comes to serve Eustace.

quote:

---

Wonder if there is any legit source about them going to Dorne or are they just guessing that based on Dunk and Eggs conversation?

Would be hard to do The Sworn Sword and stuff in Dorne in 6 episodes.

Hopefully they don't go to Dorne in S2.

---

The leaks claim they are going to Dorne. The source material in the Sworn Sword does state they went to Dorne during "The Spring" but there wasn't a ton of detail. I think I mostly agree that they shouldn't spend a ton of time in Dorne but expanding on it a bit would be ok.