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re: LOST "What They Died For" S6.E16 (Multi-centric)
Posted on 5/20/10 at 7:57 am to Freauxzen
Posted on 5/20/10 at 7:57 am to Freauxzen
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I've decided on another comparison: Lost is like a giant puzzle with square pieces. You can put it together however you want, no two puzzles could be the same if you so choose. But, I wouldn't call anyone particularly genius for making something about of a bunch of identical square pieces.
Not that good of an analogy since the picture on the puzzle wouldn't make any sense. Stick with your old one.
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"Enjoy it all you want, but let's not kid ourselves of what it is."
One of the greatest sci fi shows of all time and one of the best of last decade?
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Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:05 am to OMLandshark
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Not that good of an analogy since the picture on the puzzle wouldn't make any sense. Stick with your old one.
Blank pieces, so you could make whatever form you want. I changed the original.
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One of the greatest sci fi shows of all time and one of the best of last decade?
One of the most popular, if not the most popular certainly. But it's not great.
We don't call Britney Spears an great artist, yet she sold tons of albums. Popularity =/= measure of quality.
FWIW, Lost has become more fantasy than science fiction, especially with this episode.
The key difference between the two has always been a set of accepted rules, fantasy has none, neither does Lost.
This post was edited on 5/20/10 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:06 am to Freauxzen
and round two begins... 
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:21 am to Freauxzen
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You're right, it's laughable to think this show is that much more intelligent that anything else on television, problem is, that's the idea all the Lost fans promote
this I heartily agree with. I've come to like Lost for what it is---pure entertainment in a pulpy sort of genre.
I don't see how people think its the most "intelligent" show ever. Just because they throw out a bunch of random references to stuff and stamp logos on sharks doesn't make it smart.
its fun, there are a wide variety of characters to root for and against and you never know where the show might go. that is what makes it fun.
The storytelling/writing/narrative/character motivations/plot are severely lacking in 75% of the episodes.
I'm looking forward to an enjoyable finale.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:27 am to Tiger Ryno
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I'm looking forward to an enjoyable finale.
are you really?? I haven't seen you get any enjoyment out of Lost in a while.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:32 am to The Godfather
You are missing the vibe man. I can talk about the seriously flawed writing and plot/ on the show and still enjoy it as pure entertainment. I love John Candy movies, but I'm not claiming they deserve the Oscar.
The issues I have are with the long time Lost devotees who think its the most brilliant thing ever written. They simply don't understand anything about story telling/developing characters/meaningful plot elements, etc...
most are trying to validate their 6 year commitment to the show.
I am THE biggest Star Wars fan in the world. I saw all the prequels about 6 times each at the theatres for pure enjoyment, but I will be the first to scream that Lucas screwed them up BIG TIME! and it could have been so much better.
Its called being objective
The issues I have are with the long time Lost devotees who think its the most brilliant thing ever written. They simply don't understand anything about story telling/developing characters/meaningful plot elements, etc...
most are trying to validate their 6 year commitment to the show.
I am THE biggest Star Wars fan in the world. I saw all the prequels about 6 times each at the theatres for pure enjoyment, but I will be the first to scream that Lucas screwed them up BIG TIME! and it could have been so much better.
Its called being objective
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:37 am to Tiger Ryno
wasn't getting onto you for it or anything,it was just a question. Trust me, if it doesnt end to my liking, i will be on here complaining as well, im just holding my complaints till its over and trying to just enjoy the ride
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:37 am to TexasTigah
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It's like the forgot this was the last season.
This is my biggest gripe with Lost. While I have enjoyed this last season a lot, it really was filled with a good bit of seemingly worthless filler episodes. I remember in the first half of the season I'd always write on here about how the episodes were good, but they just didn't seem to be going anywhere or advancing the story at all. With all the shite that has been crammed into Lost (by both the creators and the fans), you'd think they would have had a better vehicle to get to the plot finale. And they didn't.
I'm not pissed off about it per se, but definitely a little disappointed in the way this season has panned out. Especially looking at the season as a whole, with the benefit of hindsight. Lots of gripes have been occuring about the amount of "hiding in the woods" and shite like that. And looking back on the season, I think that's legitimate.
I am still very hopeful and confident that teh finale will deliver, at the very least, a decent close to the series. And honestly, it won't take a whole lot to please me, as I'm in the "along for the ride" camp more than the "analyze eery single thing and make sure it's all connected and on-point" camp. Could I be disappointed? Sure. But as long as they put forth a little effort into the finale, I'll be fine. And I'm sure I'll have a better understanding (appreciation?) of the show once it's all over and I can just sit down and watch them all on DVD in a short period of time.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:40 am to The Godfather
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:41 am to Freauxzen
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Lost has become more fantasy than science fiction, especially with this episode.
I've always considered it more of a fantasy.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:44 am to Freauxzen
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One of the most popular, if not the most popular certainly. But it's not great.
We don't call Britney Spears an great artist, yet she sold tons of albums. Popularity =/= measure of quality.
Give me a break. Are you really saying that Brittney Spears trash is remotely comparable to LOST. Brittney's music appeals to the lowest common denominator, something even you have to admit LOST doesn't do. It really doesn't give a damn if you are too stupid to keep up and will leave you behind.
Crappy MTV Reality shows are the tv equivalent Brittney Spears. At least get some stoner band that thinks its preaching deeper meanings of life over Brittney Spears if you are going to use an analogy like that.
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FWIW, Lost has become more fantasy than science fiction, especially with this episode.
The key difference between the two has always been a set of accepted rules, fantasy has none, neither does Lost.
Its really a hybrid. The sci fi stuff is deeply set in rules (course correction, whatever happened happened, etc), while the fantasy stuff in LOST really isn't.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:45 am to Tiger Ryno
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I don't see how people think its the most "intelligent" show ever.
I don't think many Lost fans feel this way. Somehow Lost fans got this rep based on a few idiots. I just enjoy the show. I am a little disappointed with the abundance of inconsistencies, but the show still entertains me, and that's more than I can say for most. It had the potential to be an all-time great, but they tried to do too much and couldn't tie it all together.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:49 am to OMLandshark
LOST is to TV what Tool is to music. How's that comparison? 
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:56 am to CocomoLSU
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This is my biggest gripe with Lost. While I have enjoyed this last season a lot, it really was filled with a good bit of seemingly worthless filler episodes. I remember in the first half of the season I'd always write on here about how the episodes were good, but they just didn't seem to be going anywhere or advancing the story at all. With all the shite that has been crammed into Lost (by both the creators and the fans), you'd think they would have had a better vehicle to get to the plot finale. And they didn't.
LOST's centric episodes are an advantage and a disadvantage. It sometimes prevents the plot from moving forward by focusing on characters that aren't influencing events around them, but it also allows you to know the characters better. Therefore there will likely be some episodes that don't add much to the overall plot.
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I am still very hopeful and confident that teh finale will deliver, at the very least, a decent close to the series. And honestly, it won't take a whole lot to please me, as I'm in the "along for the ride" camp more than the "analyze eery single thing and make sure it's all connected and on-point" camp. Could I be disappointed? Sure. But as long as they put forth a little effort into the finale, I'll be fine. And I'm sure I'll have a better understanding (appreciation?) of the show once it's all over and I can just sit down and watch them all on DVD in a short period of time.
I am not overly nervous about the finale since LOST has pretty much always delivered in every way during finales. They've had years to plan this finale in particullar to where I think the finale should be great. Yes this is off of blind fate, but I do expect it to be great.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:58 am to OMLandshark
this board's gonna implode sunday
Posted on 5/20/10 at 8:59 am to The Godfather
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wasn't getting onto you for it or anything,it was just a question. Trust me, if it doesnt end to my liking, i will be on here complaining as well, im just holding my complaints till its over and trying to just enjoy the ride
I will as well. If the finale does not meet my expectations, I will be here bitching about it. I'm not a fan who follows this blindly, as I proved 2 episodes ago.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 9:00 am to BhamTigah
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I don't think many Lost fans feel this way. Somehow Lost fans got this rep based on a few idiots. I just enjoy the show. I am a little disappointed with the abundance of inconsistencies, but the show still entertains me, and that's more than I can say for most. It had the potential to be an all-time great, but they tried to do too much and couldn't tie it all together.
While I think it will go down as an all time great, I basically agree with this post. It will be remembered for some of its flaws, but people will look at the big picture more than the smaller flaws. However the small flaws in the finale will certainly be remembered more than any other episode.
This post was edited on 5/20/10 at 9:01 am
Posted on 5/20/10 at 9:08 am to OMLandshark
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Give me a break. Are you really saying that Brittney Spears trash is remotely comparable to LOST. Brittney's music appeals to the lowest common denominator, something even you have to admit LOST doesn't do. It really doesn't give a damn if you are too stupid to keep up and will leave you behind.
Crappy MTV Reality shows are the tv equivalent Brittney Spears. At least get some stoner band that thinks its preaching deeper meanings of life over Brittney Spears if you are going to use an analogy like that.
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We don't call Britney Spears an great artist, yet she sold tons of albums. Popularity =/= measure of quality.
The point is, JUST because she is popular, doesn't mean she is great. Just because Lost is successful monetarily, and popular, doesn't mean the show is great. That's all.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 9:13 am to Freauxzen
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The point is, JUST because she is popular, doesn't mean she is great. Just because Lost is successful monetarily, and popular, doesn't mean the show is great. That's all.
Got ya, just got too hung up on the example.
Posted on 5/20/10 at 9:19 am to OMLandshark
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