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re: LOST "What They Died For" S6.E16 (Multi-centric)

Posted on 5/18/10 at 4:19 pm to
Posted by manwich
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 4:19 pm to
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Posted by White Shadeaux
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 4:32 pm to
That would make a great "Desmond is watching you masturbate" picture...


if you can crop out and zoom in on just Des.
Posted by The Boob
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 4:44 pm to
Anyone else think the writers regret "The Man behind the Curtain"? Good stuff, but that episode really contradicts a lot, especially the Cabin scene.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 4:45 pm to
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Anyone else think the writers regret "The Man behind the Curtain"? Good stuff, but that episode really contradicts a lot, especially the Cabin scene.



The Man Behind the Curtain was a good episode, and that scene has been brought up multiple times since then to where they apparently don't regret it at all.
Posted by White Shadeaux
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 4:45 pm to
I think they regret a lot of things.
Posted by davesdawgs
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 4:51 pm to
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So maybe the whole plot was unneeded.


You're right, but I still enjoyed that little sidestory.

Also I see this conversation just going in circles. Bury the hatchet for now


Exactly. You can analyze any story to death and rewrite countless forks in the road that would modify or completely change the plot. I fully appreciate that even with a fantasy the series should be consistent within itself and there are plenty of instances in which the plot of LOST seems inconsistent or at least difficult to understand.

Perhaps it's a case of ignorance is bliss but at some point I prefer to just kick back and enjoy the ride which for me is the acting and the revelation of the mysteries. Yes, Ben's character has evolved or has been contrived if you prefer a critical view but you could say that of any character in any series to some extent. The fact is most LOST fans enjoy Michael Emerson's portrayal of Ben. The writers obviously recognized this and gave him a more prominent role. I think their decision to do so was a key turning point that made the series as popular as it is today.

Freauxzen I think your criticism of Ben's ongoing role is reasonable but probably not shared by many LOST fans.
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:08 pm to
No posts in 17 minutes, how is STLSU gonna get drunk if this continues?
Posted by davesdawgs
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:17 pm to
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But Locke was dead. My only point is that Jacob has absolutely no reason to want dead Locke on that island. I get the other people being there in that "he needs a replacement." I won't even ask why he needs them, but for some reason he does. But it is pretty illogical for Team Jacob to want dead Locke back on the island.


Not really when you consider that the conditions necessary for the Losties/candidates to return to the island via Ajira Flight 316 needed to duplicate the conditions of Oceanic Flight 815 per Eloise Hawking.

Yes, any corpse might have worked but Locke was well.... convenient since he had been fresh killed by Ben. Plus I have a feeling that this is all playing out according to Jacob's plan who after all made the rules of the game.

I have a feeling that we might see Locke's spirit shine through in MIB in a way that will make a difference in The End; in a way that Jacob is counting on to save the world. I'm probably wrong but I would not be surprised if MIB chooses to stay on the island after being convinced that humanity is worth saving.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:19 pm to
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No posts in 17 minutes, how is STLSU gonna get drunk if this continues?



What's his bet again? To drink per page or something.
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:20 pm to
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He has killed more LOSTies than any other character with this move:

LINK
LINK


and I guess you can throw in Alex as well.

The first link is to Keamy, and other than Claire, what other Losties died when he summoned smokey? I honestly can't remember.

The freightor was definitely his fault, but he indirectly killed them through his rage in the act of killing Keamy for shooting his "daughter" (although he said Widmore broke the rules for doing this, it doesn't excuse it and he has often been a bad leader for making mistakes in judgment).


I don't know what was happening there, brain fart. Keamy's men blew up the barracks and one of them was Claire's. That was when she was claimed.

Also, that wasn't the first link. I just clicked it and unclicked it, assuming that was what it led to.
Posted by STLSU
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:22 pm to
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No posts in 17 minutes, how is STLSU gonna get drunk if this continues?


What's his bet again? To drink per page or something.


hell, I'm just doing the best I can. Watching the Substitute currently (just finished What Kate Does) and hope to watch about 4 more here. Unfortunately my laptop is on the fritz and the only PC I got going is connected to the TV, so I'll be in and out somewhat
Posted by STLSU
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:23 pm to
I'm on beer 3 by the way, so this is not going to end well
Posted by PsychTiger
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109184 posts
Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:30 pm to
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What's his bet again? To drink per page or something.


He wanted a drinking game idea and I suggested he take a drink every time someone posts in any LOST thread.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:33 pm to
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He wanted a drinking game idea and I suggested he take a drink every time someone posts in any LOST thread.



Should we just bump them all?
Posted by STLSU
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:51 pm to
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Should we just bump them all?



Yes!

I'm gonna try to watch Sundown, Ab Aeterno, and The Candidate before start time
Posted by The Boob
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:15 pm to
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The Man Behind the Curtain was a good episode, and that scene has been brought up multiple times since then to where they apparently don't regret it at all.


Am I the only one that is bothered by that scene? Stuff happens that is so unrelated to anything down the road. We see a dude in a rocking chair that looks nothing like Jacob or MIB. Someone says "Help me". None of this meant anything or contributed at all down the road.

Then they burn the cabin down in S5 with no reasoning at all. It was like they burned it down so noone would remember or ask questions about it.
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:19 pm to
I ended up watching a lot of the Lighthouse as it is always tempting. I'll catch some of Sundown (watch the Sayid/Dogen fight for sure) and maybe most of 2 more . . .
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:22 pm to
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Yes, Ben's character has evolved or has been contrived if you prefer a critical view but you could say that of any character in any series to some extent.


Desmond disagrees.

You know that most of the well-liked characters-Desmond, non-MIB Locke, Ecko, Sawyer- are all well thought out and consistent characters. We wouldn't and couldn't have this discussion about them.

Those are narratively strong characters and they can exist in any show. My only argument is that Ben isn't one...

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The fact is most LOST fans enjoy Michael Emerson's portrayal of Ben. The writers obviously recognized this and gave him a more prominent role. I think their decision to do so was a key turning point that made the series as popular as it is today.

Freauxzen I think your criticism of Ben's ongoing role is reasonable but probably not shared by many LOST fans.



Which is why the discussion/argument is circular. I am coming from a stance of logic, reason and strong storytelling. Most Lost fans are just emotional about it. It's only because they "like" that character that he is important.

And I'm fine with that, as long as you don't say Ben is well-written, a "great" character, etc. As soon as you get into declaring the quality of Ben, that's where I have a strong point of contention.

And OML and I have fun anyways. I think we just rehash the Locke/Jack argument over and over again, reason vs. faith.

I just compared myself to Jack...
"Me Jack...Me smash mirror for no reason!"

This post was edited on 5/18/10 at 6:25 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:28 pm to
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And OML and I have fun anyways. I think we just rehash the Locke/Jack argument over and over again, reason vs. faith.



If this is the case, then you will eventually come to agree with me, even if it takes my death for that to happen.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:29 pm to
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If this is the case, then you will eventually come to agree with me, even if it takes my death for that to happen.


Nope. I'm smarter than Jack and would make better decisions if I was stuck on island.






And I would have investigated the mirror before smashing it.
This post was edited on 5/18/10 at 6:30 pm
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