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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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MIB/Jacob were completely unecessary to the overall story. they were pawns in a bigger picture that too much time was devoted towards
this was a show about the characters of the flight (and those they loved)
MIB-Jacob had no part in this, and in the end had no real role
wtf. they were the whole story. without them there is no story.
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:22 am to CE Tiger
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you gave up on a great show
i gave up on a show that was great that ended up being misguided as they completely changed the nature of the show
i kept up with it until they completely changed it again (in season 5)
this is a show that had great potential, but was completely unrealized due to creators shitting the bed when fans figured out what the show was about. they re-create the show twice in the process, and STILL END UP WITH THE OBVIOUS ENDING
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but we will have a better understanding off the show then you ever will.
not really
your understanding of the island is, "well it's the island"
that's not an understanding of anything
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:22 am to noonan
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i don't see how.
Crap. I need to sleep.
Ok, think about it like this: Give me one scene/event, involving, your choice, Jacob or MIB and one other character, and I'll give you a rough idea of how you remove Jacob/MIB from the story.
I say they are a problem only for what they became. If they had been God and the Devil (obviously the story would hve been slightly different) they would have been more meaningful. Or less so, an "angel" and a "demon."
Two non-human, more esoteric forces.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:22 am to OMLandshark
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This is heavily implied by Ben at the end.
Yes because Ben who never actually heard Jacob, now suddenly knows Jacob's rules.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:22 am to SlowFlowPro
The last scene of the show Lost was Jack's eye closing.
How hard is that to understand?
How hard is that to understand?
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:23 am to yungtigr
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absolute biggest fail of the whole 2.5 hours. In the end it looks a hell of a lot like MIB was right. There was no point to any of it.
And why do you say that. Just because Jack died doesn't mean he and Locke were wrong.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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a logical explanation would suffice
They did say they were only going to answer questions that were important to the characters.
Imagine you are Jack.
You've crashed on an island, met the smoke monster, watched an island disappear, time traveled, blown up an atomic bomb, saw Dead John Lock come back to life, etc.
Now Dead Ghost Jacob tells you if that light in the hole goes out...bad shite happens. You are probably by now going to believe that this island is important and that light should stay on. It DOESNT MATTER how the island came to be, or how that light got there...to JACK. Or to the other characters on the show. What matters is keeping that light on.
THATS why you didn't get an explanation. Not because "the writers of one of the most iconic tv series of all time were just plain awful"
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:24 am to noonan
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without them there is no story.
i could have achieved this same ending without any of seasons 5 or 6
i could have wrapped it up in a purgatory ending in season 4 with the others
the others served the same role as MIB-Jacob. then Dharma. then MIB-Jacob. they were all the same foils to the characters involved in the flight redeeming themselves
the story of lost is the story of jack and company redeeming themselves. everything else is just window dressing
devoting the entire point of the show to that window dressing for at least 1/3 of the show (seasons 5 and 6) was a horrible way to waste time and muck up the overall story
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:24 am to theunknownknight
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Yal are making this too complex.
Sure the delivery was not as clear as it could have been but...
The writers were trying to be crystal clear in the finale:
The island REALLY happened.
The light IS the spark of life. Without it there is no purgatory, heaven.
Jack made sure it was preserved.
Once that occurs he moves on to the afterlife.
The point being, had Jack NOT preserved the light. purgatory and the afterlife would cease to exist.
Now I do think they may have originally meant to go in the true purgatory direction, but it is obvious they were trying to clearly communicate the island as the key to the afterlife and preserving it, preserved themselves.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:24 am to joshnorris14
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The last scene of the show Lost was Jack's eye closing.
yet they still showed the wreckage
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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your understanding of the island is, "well it's the island"
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The Island is the geographic location of Lost castaways throughout time, covering a period of at least 2000 years. Lost castaways are mysteriously "brought" to the Island, presumably through the use of mystical and electromagnetic properties found within the Island. From a literary perspective, the writers of Lost often project the Island, not only as a location, but also as an entity with its own characteristics that can influence its inhabitants.
It also appears that some mystical characteristics of the Island can be used beyond the geography of the Island. How this is possible has yet to be revealed.
Over time, we also discover the Island has more than one geographic location. The Island can be moved to various geographic locations, making it difficult to find. The Island seems to have been in the Mediterranean ("Across the Sea"), mid-Atlantic ("Namaste") and also the South Pacific at various points in its history. Because it has moved, its current location is unknown.
According to Jacob, the Island serves as a cork preventing a mysterious evil from escaping into the rest of the world. The analogy for this evil is represented by wine, the contents of a bottle capped by a cork, representing the Island. It is warned by Jacob, Ilana, and Charles Widmore, the escape of this evil entity would bring disaster to the world and cause existence to cease. The Man in Black is implied to be or represent this evil that cannot escape the Island.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:25 am to TigerMyth36
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And once again, you don't see how silly it is to say a rock in a hole protects all life and afterlife. Come on....a freaking rock in a hole.
Compared to the rest of the ride that this show has been I actually have no problem with a rock in a hole.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:25 am to TigerMyth36
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And once again, you don't see how silly it is to say a rock in a hole protects all life and afterlife. Come on....a freaking rock in a hole.
Yes, its ridiculous to think about it terms of reality. But its a tv show. Do you watch Harry Potter and go "Oh yea right, he can fly on a broom!" Do you watch TrueBlood and say "Oh yea right! A freaking vampire". Just go away, bro.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:25 am to TigerMyth36
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Do you people even listen to yourself. So all of heaven, hell and purgatory hinge on a rock plugging a hole on an island.
Just listen to how silly that sounds.
only if you are trying to pigeon hole this into one religion.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:25 am to joshnorris14
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How hard is that to understand?
Then why show the wreckage? How hard is it to understand that I think the writers wanted to generate this controversy ala the Sopranos fade to black.
Almost half the people on the thread tonight think it might show they were dead all along.
I don't but I do think they did that on purpose to create a fade to black moment. Aaron Baby, no jon baby and wreckage = Sopranos fade to black.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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yet they still showed the wreckage
They showed the wreckage after the show ended.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:26 am to Joe
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Now Dead Ghost Jacob tells you if that light in the hole goes out...bad shite happens. You are probably by now going to believe that this island is important and that light should stay on. It DOESNT MATTER how the island came to be, or how that light got there...to JACK. Or to the other characters on the show. What matters is keeping that light on.
can you even tell me in the big picture why this is important to the character of jack?
because i could have achieved the same goal a lot earlier without all of the stupid bullshite added (esp in the last 1/3)
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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yet they still showed the wreckage
when i beat call of duty i they showed a museum, motherfrick i stab some arab and i go to a museum??!?!
no its called the fricking credits
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:26 am to TigerMyth36
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Then why show the wreckage?
The made a point of ending the show how it started. It was a way of saying "This story arch is now over, and it started with this plane crash".
Posted on 5/24/10 at 12:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Holy shite, I thought I had missed a scene with the plane crashing and everyone dying, but apparently everyone is just talking about the beach with the remnants of the plane during the credit roll. Really?? I just thought of it as reminding us how it all started as it was ending and the credits were rolling.
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