re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)

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i know this is old and all but why do you think in the altered reality is the island under water whats the significance of that. Thoughts has it changed at all as the season has gone on.

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It's the alternate reality if Jacob wins round 108

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Do you guys have an answer for who Christian is in Season 1 in the early episodes?

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I think this was Jacob influencing Jack through visions. It has yet to be shown that the MIB has power OFF the island. If what Jacob said was true then the MIB is bound on the island.

THEREFORE, any vision they see off the island is probably from Jacob to get them back to the island. This would explain the off island appearances of "Christian" and "Claire" in season 4.

If that is the case, I am sure Jacob would try and lead Jack to his destiny with visions of his father in season 1, without physically intervening.

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If that is the case, I am sure Jacob would try and lead Jack to his destiny with visions of his father in season 1, without physically intervening.

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I'm not so sure.


In the White Rabbit, Christian led Jack to WATER. Hmmm. I think if it had been Jacob it would have been wine.

Seriously though, it would definitely not be in keeping with Jacob's noninterference policy. I guess in the grand scheme of things it may be irrelevant.

If there is one thing I would like to see from season 1, it's Locke's first encounter with MIB. We never see it but afterward, he told Jack that "He looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful." When Eko saw MIB and "looked into it's eyes," it was evil/the devil.

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I think that one of the Candidates steps up to take Jacob's place causing the game to end. The alternate time line is what would've happened if the island never existed (Which it won't at the end of the game).

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The Barracks and the destroyed statue are at the bottom of the ocean, so the Island existed at least up to sometime in the 70s. Plus Ben and his father talk about the Island in one episode.

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What is Widmore's roll in all of this?

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I think Widmore got dangerously close to discovering the purpose behind the island and Jacob had him banished. Now, he is attempting to get back in order stop the end from happening.

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2. In season 1, the Losties were pretty damn terrified to leave the beach and go into the jungle. If you remember, he never bothered them when they were on the beach, but everytime they went into the jungle, the chase was on. In fact, the first time we heard the smoke monster and saw the trees flying around, he stopped at the edge of the jungle.

This shows that there is some kind of barrier that prevented him from going onto the beach. I don't know if it was water like has been previously discussed, but the Losties found refuge on the beach for some reason.

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Seriously doubt it. MIB was on the Beach camp in the Incident and Dr. Linus, plus a few other manifestations throughout the series (Yemi and Boone for example).

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Never as Smokie, though. Based on the scenes early in the series, the smoke monster definitely had a problem attacking the Losties on the beach. The writers may have changed their minds, but early on, the Losties found refuge from the smoke monster as long as they remained on the beach. Do you not remember that several Losties didn't want to go to the caves because they were afraid to venture into the jungle.

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Basically Jacob and MIB are superior to humans (fallen angels? who knows?). They are playing a game that goes on for eternity (think the backgammon reference from Season 1).

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MIB doesn't seem to be having a lot of "fun" if this is solely a game. Why would MIB agree to it? He either restarts the game and stays trapped or he loses and stays trapped. He appears pretty pissed off for someone playing a game.

Yeah, he seems to want to leave in the worst way. To me, Jacob is still the biggest mystery - what are his motives? Why did he give that white rock to MIB? Why did MIB say that Jacob stole his body? What does MIB's mother have to do with it?

Also I am curious why Jacob lives in an egyptian-like temple. That doesn't look like the holiest of places.

I think that most signs point to him being good and wanting to contain "the evil" mib, but I'm no so sure about Jacob just yet.

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Again, in comparison to MIB he seems "good". But, he's far from a "good" person.

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well wouldn't the who "containing evil" analogy = being good?

I think the fact that he brought it up makes it relevant. I would be shocked if his mother didn't have some significance in "Across the Sea". I think there's more to it that comparing him to Locke or trying to manipulate Kate.