re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)

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Yes, but I think we can all agree that it's symbolism and that the literal hell isn't sitting beneath the island.

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Yeah I wasn't commenting on that part of it. He was saying Jacob (or his replacement) was the cork. That is not what Jacob said.

He obviously says, "Let's say that the wine represents what you call hell. Some people call it malevolence, evil..."

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Also I am sure this has probably been discussed, but MIB said that Jacob stole his body...not sure what that is all about.

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Maybe Jacob pulled a "Locke" on whoever MIB originally was.

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you think "say hello to my son" was just 100% him fricking with Locke?

because knowing what we know now, MIB is trying to manipulate people, so, I cant see how that statement to Locke accomplishes anything

any guesses?

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Him saying that got Jack on board for going back to the Island.

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I'm pumped about seeing John Locke's wedding the in the alt timeline (I assume we will see this at some point). I'm wondering if we will see the same Anthony Cooper as Locke's father or if it is someone else.

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It would be great if Sawyer shows up and guns down Cooper at the wedding.

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That makes no sense. The events of LaFleur take place in 1977 and we know the statute broke in 1867.

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There is one timeflash in the beginning of the episode that shows the back of the statue. It only takes like a minute.

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Maybe Jacob pulled a "Locke" on whoever MIB originally was.

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The name Jacob does mean "to supplant"

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Jacob's dead, MiB can get off the island. Therefore, the island can't be the cork, but rather the bottle.

When Jacob was alive, MiB couldn't get off the island. Therefore, he is the cork.

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Gotcha. If there are no other protectors of the cork then he can get off. But we all know that there are candidates left, so maybe they have to "decide" what they are going to do before MIB can get off.

Yeah MIB may have had Jacob's position at one point ("ruler" of the island, more/different powers, etc.) and he abused the power. Then Jacob could have conned him ("stole his body/humanity") so that he was trapped from returning to his evil reign.

Sort of pulling this out of my arse fwiw

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This is going to sound like an ADD kid on speed but here it goes:

Basically Jacob and MIB are superior to humans (fallen angels? who knows?). They are playing a game that goes on for eternity (think the backgammon reference from Season 1). The game is all based on the nature of humanity and good versus evil, except that neither really care about humans per se, the object is to win the game.

For MIB to win the game, he has to escape the island which for all intensive purposes is his prison. Once he escapes, he basically destroys the world and the game starts over. (think the constant references to restarting the clock - Season Two in the hatch reseting the clock every 108 seconds, Season Five detonating the bomb to reset the timeline). He has won every game thus far, so what we are seeing is like 6th or 7th round of humanity.

For Jacob to win the game, he has to keep MIB trapped. By the rules, Jacob cannot let MIB escape; MIB has to manipulate humans into letting his escape. Jacob can only win the game once because it results in MIB being held on the island for eternity (think Season 5 - "it only ends once, everything else is progress) .

In this round, MIB has discovered a new way to win the game by manipulating John Locke. Because Locke was essentially brought back to life by Jacob, it is only possible through him. From day one, MIB has been manipulating Locke to 1) get off the island, 2) die off the island, and 3) somehow be brought back to the island. We've been watching this manipulation for five seasons but never realized it:

1) Third episode of the series, the smoke stares directly into Locke's eyes (like he did Richard last night), and doesn't kill him. Why? Because he reads Locke and knows he can manipulate him and he knows that he's been touched by Jacob.

2) Why can't the Losties escape? because the island is hidden. How can it be found? Release the energy in the hatch. Who found the hatch? John Locke. How is the energy released? Fail to reset the clock. Who purposely failed to reset the clock? John Locke. (And remember that Eko was standing in Locke's way and he was killed by MIB - "John, I saw the devil")

3) How can Locke get off the island? He has to stop it from jumping. What happens when he gets down there? MIB in the form of Christian tells him that they ALL have to come back to save the island (a message that Locke relays to Ben who is under the impression that it is his job to save the island).

4) Why does Locke die? Because future Locke (who is actually MIB) tells the Locke jumping through time that the only way to save the island is for Locke to die after he convinces everyone to come back.

So basically, Locke (because of his "faith," which simply means he is easily manipulated - think about his entire back story of constantly being manipulated) is the primary game piece used by MIB.

Once MIB inhabits Locke, he now has the ability to convince Ben that the only way to save the island is to kill Jacob. So he finds the loophole and kills Jacob.

Now, the only problem is the remaining candidates. MIB can't escape until the candidates are dead. So he, taking Locke's form, gathers an army to kill the remaining candidates (this is what we're seeing now).

My prediction is this:

The 16th episode (the one before the three part finale) is entitled "Across the Sea." In this episode, Across the Sea means events that have taken place off the island. However, it's a Jacob/MIB centric episode. I think this episode is going to show MIB "winning the game" over and over again from the past. He manipulates humans, gets off the island, destroys the world, and the game resets. We'll see it happen a few times.

The finale is entitled "The Reason They Died." In this episode, we'll see the remaining candidates die (all of them). MIb will have manipulated someone (Ben, Sawyer, Kate?) into killing the last candidate, Jack (BTW, the 15th episode is "The Candidate" and it's Jack-centric). Well also learn that the alternate timeline is result of their lives if Jacob would have won (the island being underwater and basically having no effect on the world).

Imagine how awesome a final conversation between Sawyer and Jack would be with the end result is Sawyer killing Jack.

The last scene of the show is MIB escaping the island and destroying the world, thereby resetting the game.

The very last scene is the first moment of the reset (Jack's eye from the Premiere, maybe?)

Just my idea.