re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)

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MIB killed everyone because they were not suppose to be there and there were no candidates to be concerned with. He didn't kill Richard because he thought he could use him to kill Jacob.

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Well Locke and MIB talked before the statue was destroyed down in the wheel chamber, so he knew Richard was alive in the future, so that may have a lot to do with why he spared him, especially the second time when he didn't kill Jacob.

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2. In season 1, the Losties were pretty damn terrified to leave the beach and go into the jungle. If you remember, he never bothered them when they were on the beach, but everytime they went into the jungle, the chase was on. In fact, the first time we heard the smoke monster and saw the trees flying around, he stopped at the edge of the jungle.

This shows that there is some kind of barrier that prevented him from going onto the beach. I don't know if it was water like has been previously discussed, but the Losties found refuge on the beach for some reason.

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Seriously doubt it. MIB was on the Beach camp in the Incident and Dr. Linus, plus a few other manifestations throughout the series (Yemi and Boone for example).

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Well Locke and MIB talked before the statue was destroyed down in the wheel chamber, so he knew Richard was alive in the future, so that may have a lot to do with why he spared him, especially the second time when he didn't kill Jacob.

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Do we know this for sure?

The island jumped right before that conversation. We know it was a point in time prior to the well being built, but I don't remember them showing the whole statue in time frame.

They showed the statute in tact two jumps prior.

So the island is the cork? I'm not sure if I'm totally getting the metaphor.

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BTW, if Christian is MIB, then he was on the beach and in the ocean.

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Yemi went in Eko's tent, which was on the beach, thus confirming the Monster has no problems going on the beach.

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It flashed as Locke was going down the well. Locke then hits the ground and breaks his leg. Up on the surface Sawyer and co. see the back of the statue, and then Locke pushes the wheel and they are flashed to 1974.

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Just went back and watched it on Netflix. They don't show the statue at all after the flash while Locke is going down the well.

The statue was shown several flashes before.

So we don't know what year it was when MIB/Christian spoke with Locke.

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So the island is the cork? I'm not sure if I'm totally getting the metaphor.

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No, Jacob (and the new Jacob) is the cork.

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I get the feeling MIB has tried countless ways to get off the island.

this time, the one we're privy to watching, he figured out a way to manipulate those that Jacob brought to get his wishes

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I'm not sure if this is the first time he's manipulated people to get off the island, but I do think that Ab Aeterno was the first time he used a human to try and kill Jacob.

I'm so ridiculously pumped about "Across the Sea."

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'm not sure if this is the first time he's manipulated people to get off the island

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I completely agree, my premise is "this time, we're going to tell you the story of the final time" - kinda going off the Matrix theme - "this has happened many times, but we're going to show you this one, because this time it ends differently than it ever did before"

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you think "say hello to my son" was just 100% him fricking with Locke?

because knowing what we know now, MIB is trying to manipulate people, so, I cant see how that statement to Locke accomplishes anything

any guesses?

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Nope, all part of the game.

For the "loophole" to work, Locke has to get the candidates back to the island and he has to be dead.

Obviously it's going to be tough to convince everyone to get back, so the easiest method is to convince the leader, Jack. Locke even references this off island when he tells Abaddon, "I only have to convince one, the rest will follow."

MIB tells Locke "say hello to my son." Locke makes the connection and uses it to convince Jack to come back to the island.

Thus, step two of MIB's loophole is accomplished.

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No, Jacob (and the new Jacob) is the cork.

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Jacob specifically says that the island is the cork FWIW. Are you saying he is misleading Richard or did you just misremember?