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re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:27 am to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:27 am to Tiger Ryno
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I don't think so Tim. I have a hunch that the others are traced back off island to the time when Jacob originated. I think they are connected in some way to Jacob/MIB before the island.
Jacob said everyone that ever came to the Island was dead in the episode, so aside from Jacob himself, no you are wrong.
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Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:28 am to Tiger Ryno
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clear as mud
So when Richard and Jacob are talking on the beach, you think they should have said "What should we call ourselves?" "I know the Others! Its so perfect."
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:31 am to OMLandshark
we shall see in about 5 weeks.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:35 am to OMLandshark
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"I know the Others! Its so perfect."
the others was a term originated by Rousseau. Dharma called them hostile indigenous people or hostiles.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:35 am to OMLandshark
We know Richard was following Jacob, and since Richard was advisor to the leader of the others, we can assume that the others were Jacob's people. My only question is why were the others such dicks to Jacob's candidates?
Was that Jacob's way of testing the candidates to see which was worthy to replace him?
Was that Jacob's way of testing the candidates to see which was worthy to replace him?
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:36 am to CE Tiger
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This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 9:52 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:39 am to OMLandshark
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Yes we have: when Boone and Shannon were running from the Monster, the Monster seemingly kills Shannon, although that obviously didn't happen
I completely forgot about this. Do you remember which episode this is?
Posted on 3/25/10 at 9:45 am to SUB
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Yes we have: when Boone and Shannon were running from the Monster, the Monster seemingly kills Shannon, although that obviously didn't happen
boone hallucinated this after being knocked out by locke, the vision he had from some potion not the MIB
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 9:50 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:05 am to CE Tiger
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the others was a term originated by Rousseau. Dharma called them hostile indigenous people or hostiles.
I was just making a point that it doesn't have to be stated point blank and obvious when it is very much implied.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:06 am to CE Tiger
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boone hallucinated this after being knocked out by locke, the vision he had from some potion not the MIB
With what we know now, I'm having a hard time believing Locke was solely responsible for this hallucination. We wouldn't have bought it then if Shannon just "died" and wasn't really dead.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:09 am to OMLandshark
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Locke was solely responsible for this hallucination.
he wasn't his opiated coconut was.
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We wouldn't have bought it then if Shannon just "died" and wasn't really dead.
huh???
the whole point of it was for boone to realize that he needs to stop being concerned with shannon. he was gonna spill the beans to her about the hatch and locke didn't want that.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:18 am to BhamTigah
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We know Richard was following Jacob, and since Richard was advisor to the leader of the others, we can assume that the others were Jacob's people. My only question is why were the others such dicks to Jacob's candidates?
Oooh good question. Did they not know that our Losties were brought to the island and included some future candidates? It seems like if they knew that some of them were candidates, they wouldn't have had such an antisocial/hostile attitude towards them.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:38 am to CE Tiger
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he wasn't his opiated coconut was.
Then I guess my observation could still hold some ground?
How come nobody else noticed this? Never has the MIB taken two forms at one time.
Assuming that Isabella in the Black Rock was not the MIB, we are left with wondering who it was. I can only think she was:
a) just a hallucination because Richard was so dehydrated and traumatized
b) Jacob - some have said that he may be able to take the form of others, ala Christian Shephard with white shoes
c) Some other being that we don't know about?
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:40 am to WG_Dawg
quote:
We know Richard was following Jacob, and since Richard was advisor to the leader of the others, we can assume that the others were Jacob's people. My only question is why were the others such dicks to Jacob's candidates?
quote:They probably didn't know they were candidates and was probably a product of Jacob's stance of noninvolvement.
Oooh good question. Did they not know that our Losties were brought to the island and included some future candidates? It seems like if they knew that some of them were candidates, they wouldn't have had such an antisocial/hostile attitude towards them.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:40 am to SUB
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a) just a hallucination because Richard was so dehydrated and traumatized
b) Jacob - some have said that he may be able to take the form of others, ala Christian Shephard with white shoes
c) Some other being that we don't know about?
or d) Smokie can project someone else's image while also being Smokie. Even if we haven't seen it before, that doesn't mean it can't happen. We don't know the limits of his powers.
ETA: Smokie came in and scanned Richard, then left and came back right when Isabella was visiting Richard. That's enough for me. i'll go with the theory that Isabella was Smokie until the show itself proves me wrong.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:42 am to WG_Dawg
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It seems like if they knew that some of them were candidates, they wouldn't have had such an antisocial/hostile attitude towards them.
It's pretty evident that none of the others know anything about the true motivations of Jacob or the entire candidate process except Illana and Richard, and even they seem to be on a "need to know" basis.
Again, if you stop thinking of the humans (losties, others, dharma, etc.) as being on teams, and start thinking of them as pieces in a game, it makes much more sense.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:43 am to BhamTigah
quote:this is what I'm going with until proven otherwise. It's the simplest explanation.
d) Smokie can project someone else's image while also being Smokie. Even if we haven't seen it before, that doesn't mean it can't happen.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:43 am to SUB
Stop overthinking it. The simplest answer is usually the correct one. If Jacob said he couldn't bring her back chances are MIB was screwing with Richard to get him to do his bidding. Plus we know from "The Cost Of Living" that the Monster can split into multiple people, so saying that it split into the smoke form and Isabella is pretty likely.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:43 am to tuck
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a product of Jacob's stance of noninvolvement.
He was involved through Richard. I'm going with my original thought, that Jacob used the others to test the candidates.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:46 am to PigglyWiggly
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I disagree. Why would the MIB throw the rock into the water if it was his cave and say something to the effect "inside joke between me and Jacob"
Also, how do you explain the candidates on the ceiling?
becuase jacob gave MIB that rock idk why he had a scale and jacobs home is the statue.
MIB wants to get off the island he wants to kill all of the candidates so he has to also keep track of the candidates so he can kill all of them I suspect that they both have access to the lighthouse mirror but only Jacob can leave the island and talk to them.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 10:48 am
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