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re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:47 am to SUB
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:47 am to SUB
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Assuming that Isabella in the Black Rock was not the MIB, we are left with wondering who it was. I can only think she was:
a) just a hallucination because Richard was so dehydrated and traumatized
b) Jacob - some have said that he may be able to take the form of others, ala Christian Shephard with white shoes
c) Some other being that we don't know about?
Hurley was able to see her and speak to her so I guess that places her "ghost" on the island. If Isabella could appear on the island later I would think that she would be able to appear to Richard while he was still in the Black Rock.
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Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:47 am to OMLandshark
I do have a question about dead people appearing and dreams.
We have two instances of them happening that I remember. The first was Christian seeing Shannon and the other was Locke seeing Horace cutting down the tree with a nose bleed in "Cabin Fever." The nose bleed indicates to me that he's flashing through time. However, Horace tells Locke he's dead. Then the scene starts repeating and the tree reappears and Horace acts as if he's seeing John again for the first time.
Who is manipulating dreams? That might be insignificant in the grand scheme of things but it seems pretty relevant since it causes action on the part of the character, especially the Horace dream.
We have two instances of them happening that I remember. The first was Christian seeing Shannon and the other was Locke seeing Horace cutting down the tree with a nose bleed in "Cabin Fever." The nose bleed indicates to me that he's flashing through time. However, Horace tells Locke he's dead. Then the scene starts repeating and the tree reappears and Horace acts as if he's seeing John again for the first time.
Who is manipulating dreams? That might be insignificant in the grand scheme of things but it seems pretty relevant since it causes action on the part of the character, especially the Horace dream.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:49 am to BhamTigah
quote:Are we sure Richard knew who the candidates were? The only person I know for sure who knew was Ilana because he gave her a list and told her to protect them. Otherwise I can't remember Richard ever coming out and saying who or who was not a candidate. He might have, I just can't remember it.
He was involved through Richard
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:53 am to tuck
quote:
Are we sure Richard knew who the candidates were?
Don't know, but I'm still going with my theory. Why? Because it's mine.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:55 am to Tiger Ryno
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well we know Richard went back in time to visit a young John Locke when he was like 5 years old. somehow he got off the island. I think there are other instances of him doing this too but I haven't seen all the old episodes.
He didn't go back in time.
Locke came into their camp in the 1950s and told them he was destined to be their leader. He also gave Richard a compass and told him the year he was born.
Richard left the island five years after John's birth to find him.
Richard has also been off the island to recruit Juliet.
I'm not sure I'm remembering this correctly, but wasn't he also standing outside the delivery room when Locke was born? OML?
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:55 am to BhamTigah
quote:
Are we sure Richard knew who the candidates were?
id say only the ones jacob let richard know the show isn't real clear about this
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:58 am to Decatur
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Hurley was able to see her and speak to her so I guess that places her "ghost" on the island. If Isabella could appear on the island later I would think that she would be able to appear to Richard while he was still in the Black Rock.
I thought this too.
I also think that he could have been dreaming. He falls asleep right before this happens and after the seen, he is asleep again.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 10:59 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Yes, he was.
I'm not sure I'm remembering this correctly, but wasn't he also standing outside the delivery room when Locke was born?
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:00 am to PigglyWiggly
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Also, how do you explain the canidates on the ceiling?
They're playing the same game.
MIB knows who the candidates are.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:07 am to tuck
He was involved through Richard
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Ben knew also early on. He had a list of people for Michael to bring to Dharmaville. That was the list of candidates that Ben got from Jacob or Richard.
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quote:
Are we sure Richard knew who the candidates were? The only person I know for sure who knew was Ilana because he gave her a list and told her to protect them. Otherwise I can't remember Richard ever coming out and saying who or who was not a candidate. He might have, I just can't remember it.
Ben knew also early on. He had a list of people for Michael to bring to Dharmaville. That was the list of candidates that Ben got from Jacob or Richard.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:12 am to LSU2NO
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Ben knew also early on. He had a list of people for Michael to bring to Dharmaville. That was the list of candidates that Ben got from Jacob or Richard.
had to be Richard cause Ben never saw Jacob only if jacob left a note for him in the shack
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:13 am to LSU2NO
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Ben knew also early on. He had a list of people for Michael to bring to Dharmaville. That was the list of candidates that Ben got from Jacob or Richard.
jack wasn't on that list and neither was hurley - that list WAS NOT a candidates list
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:13 am to LSU2NO
quote:Ahh, that's right, but are we sure they knew they were "candidates".
Ben knew also early on. He had a list of people for Michael to bring to Dharmaville. That was the list of candidates that Ben got from Jacob or Richard.
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:14 am to SUB
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People keep saying this and I have one small doubt that it was the MIB, since we have never seen the MIB take both the form of the smoke and the form of a human at the same time. While Isabella was running up the stairs in the Black Rock, you could clearly see the Smoke Monster. Maybe I am reading to much into this, but it seemed odd to me.
They have shown Smokie split and converge from three different smoke blobs (I think in season 1). So they have hinted at this already.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:14 am to CE Tiger
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jack wasn't on that list and neither was hurley - that list WAS NOT a candidates list
could have been a limited list of candidates
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:17 am to CE Tiger
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He had a list of people for Michael to bring to Dharmaville. That was the list of candidates that Ben got from Jacob or Richard.
i stand corrected but this wasn't a candidate list.
this list was all in order to save ben from the toooomar
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 11:19 am
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:17 am to Tiger Ryno
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well we know Richard went back in time to visit a young John Locke when he was like 5 years old
He didn't go back in time. Locke told Richard in 1954 (?) when and where Locke would be born, to verify he was their leader. So Richard remembered and checked it out, then watched Locke as he grew up to see if Locke was "special". Hence the visit by Richard when Locke was a kid.
Richard experienced all of that linearly.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:19 am to PigglyWiggly
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How would Richard do this? He didn't have the sub and the black rock wasn't exactly ready to sail so how would you think he could bring people to the island when he seemingly couldn't leave the island?
Richard didn't. Jacob brought them their just like everyone else. It was Richard's job, after they got there, to be Jacob's spokesman. Once the sub arrived, and stayed, they used that to retreive specific people.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:20 am to LSU2NO
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Ben knew also early on. He had a list of people for Michael to bring to Dharmaville. That was the list of candidates that Ben got from Jacob or Richard.
That's a stretch.
Posted on 3/25/10 at 11:22 am to theunknownknight
Who were the first groups of Losties whom the others kidnapped? Were these just people whom they wanted to join them as others?
Candidates to replace Jacob and candidates to become others?
Candidates to replace Jacob and candidates to become others?
This post was edited on 3/25/10 at 11:24 am
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