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re: LOST "Ab Aeterno" S6.E9 (Richard-centric)
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:41 pm to FredSecunda
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:41 pm to FredSecunda
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No one has been able to explain how Ben was able to control the smoke monster in the cabin.
....What are you talking about? Ben has made himself pretty clear on the Cabin incident.
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Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:41 pm to OMLandshark
quote:This is the way I've felt since Sawyer and Whidmore met in the sub. Maybe not necessarily the live forever thing, but that those two are in cahoots.
I'm not so sure that Widmore and MIB are enemies. He may not trust MIB hence the pylons. Widmore knows from Richard that immortality is possible so that may be what MIB is offering Widmore for his service. MIB and Widmore may have just been manipulating Sawyer.
This post was edited on 3/24/10 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:41 pm to WG_Dawg
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I'm assuming here that as long as there are candidates/a replamcement for Jacob on the island, MIB has to stay. Right?
I guess so, but then why is he moving his team around the island under the ruse that they are going for the plane?
Can someone remind me which candidates are on the MIB team, if any?
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:42 pm to OMLandshark
For everybody that thinks that this is "just a game" between MIB and Jacob...MIB doesn't seem to be having a whole lot of fun.
I really believe it is a metaphor for the Bible, Christianity, God, and humanity. In Christianity, God could hypothetically save us all and bring people to heaven, but instead throws people out there on earth and lets them sink or swim on their own - hoping humanity will save itself. You could argue that God is just "playing a game" and therefore isn't "good" either, but I suppose that is a different argument.
I really believe it is a metaphor for the Bible, Christianity, God, and humanity. In Christianity, God could hypothetically save us all and bring people to heaven, but instead throws people out there on earth and lets them sink or swim on their own - hoping humanity will save itself. You could argue that God is just "playing a game" and therefore isn't "good" either, but I suppose that is a different argument.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:43 pm to Kappa O line
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but man do they avoid the shite out of giving MIB a name.
I noticed that too. I let out a huge sigh at the end of the episode when it was set up perfectly for Jacob to use MIB's name and didn't.
ETA: And I'm really disappointed that the 'gates of hell' that they talked about in the episode has been shot to shite. That could have made for some very very interesting episodes.
This post was edited on 3/24/10 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:44 pm to PigglyWiggly
Maybe all MIB has to do is get all the candidates to willingly leave the island. Maybe he doesn't have to kill them. He will tempt them with things they love (which he does all the time) to get them to leave with him. Maybe that's why Luke Ch 4 was what Ricardo was reading. The temptation of Christ.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:45 pm to PigglyWiggly
On another note, MIB told Richard that Jacob had stolen his body. What's everyone's sense of this?
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:47 pm to etm512
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Also it might have been discussed but why do yall think Jacob defended himself against Richard? We all thought because he let Ben stab him it was because he didn't want to influence anyone and let free will reign. However that theory kind of took a turn for the worse when he started beating the shite out of Richard IMO. Thoughts?
Then again Jacob knew that the Candidates "were coming" when Ben killed him. On the Island right then were just him, Richard, and MIB, which means absolutely nothing could stop MIB if he died. He needed to defend himself for the greater good of the world.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:48 pm to tuck
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Maybe all MIB has to do is get all the candidates to willingly leave the island. Maybe he doesn't have to kill them.
My guess is Jacob got like 360 candidates and MIB has two options:
1) Have them all kill each other. He has 6 left.
2) Have one of the 360 replace him so he can leave. That is why he is recruiting; in case another of the 6 replaces Jacob.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:48 pm to lsumatt
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really believe it is a metaphor for the Bible, Christianity, God, and humanity. In Christianity, God could hypothetically save us all and bring people to heaven, but instead throws people out there on earth and lets them sink or swim on their own - hoping humanity will save itself. You could argue that God is just "playing a game" and therefore isn't "good" either, but I suppose that is a different argument.
thank you
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:49 pm to PortCityTiger24
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FWIW I am not saying Jacob is God and MIB is the devil, but I do believe they represent good and evil. We know that MIB has lied, but had Jacob actually lied to anyone?
We're definitely on the same page.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:52 pm to The Godfather
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Great episode last night!! but for what reason did Jacob bring the Black Rock to the island? It wasnt for a list of candidates, there were no survivors after MIB went through the ship,except for Richard. Did he bring the ship there just for Richard? He didnt seem to be in his plans until after he beat the shite out of him and talked to him a bit
Richard would have killed him if he didn't beat the shite out of him first.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:53 pm to lsumatt
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I really believe it is a metaphor for the Bible, Christianity, God, and humanity. In Christianity, God could hypothetically save us all and bring people to heaven, but instead throws people out there on earth and lets them sink or swim on their own - hoping humanity will save itself. You could argue that God is just "playing a game" and therefore isn't "good" either, but I suppose that is a different argument.
I hope not. That's incredibly hokie and cheap.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:53 pm to Decatur
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On another note, MIB told Richard that Jacob had stolen his body. What's everyone's sense of this?
I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. I'd like to think they are setting the MIB up as the bad guy who lies to get what he wants to eventually show that he doesn't lie all the time, but I could just as easily argue against that fact bc of the "game" they are playing
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:55 pm to Antonio Moss
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I hope not. That's incredibly hokie and cheap.
your "just a game" theories would be much worse imo.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:55 pm to lsumatt
quote:Yeah, but like Jacob said to Ben, "You don't have to do this. It's still your choice." What if none of the candidates wants the job and they all say frick it and leave? What happens then? MIB is continuously trying to get people on his side by promising things. I expect it to continue. I'm sure one (or more) will stand up to him. Even though it would make for a bad story, the possibility still exists that none of them choose to take Jacob's position.
My guess is Jacob got like 360 candidates and MIB has two options:
1) Have them all kill each other. He has 6 left.
2) Have one of the 360 replace him so he can leave. That is why he is recruiting; in case another of the 6 replaces Jacob.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:56 pm to lsumatt
I posted this in the middle of the night last night so I think it may have been largely unread (I know it's kinda convoluted, but I was having trouble putting my thought into words):
It's more of a strange feeling I'm getting that any "reset" would be regarding the desire to "fix" the beginning of the world, not the end of it.
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Forgive me for how simplistic this is going to sound...
What if they are playing to decide whether or not man will have a soul? Angels didn't have souls so God treated them different and some couldn't hack it.... Wasn't Satan cast down to Hell for going against God? Couldn't he lead an uprising if he managed to get out of hell (pop the cork)?
The people on the island could actually be souls BEFORE they are born... They are tested on the island and in their "actual life" which is the alternate timeline.
Adam and Eve are souls on the island before they become "real"... The question is whether or not they will have a soul or not.
Just spitballing.
Thoughts?
ETA:
Something along these lines would make sense in a "leading up to creation/trying to get it right" type scenario...
* Day and Night are up and running
* The sea has been created (Hydra station in charge of this)
* Land has been created
* Plants... check (Orchid was in charge of this)
* Animals... check (would explain the menagerie at one of the stations)
* Dharma initiative could be angels.
* Babies don't live because they are born without souls on the island
It's more of a strange feeling I'm getting that any "reset" would be regarding the desire to "fix" the beginning of the world, not the end of it.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:57 pm to OMLandshark
quote:quote:
Great episode last night!! but for what reason did Jacob bring the Black Rock to the island? It wasnt for a list of candidates, there were no survivors after MIB went through the ship,except for Richard. Did he bring the ship there just for Richard? He didnt seem to be in his plans until after he beat the shite out of him and talked to him a bit
Richard would have killed him if he didn't beat the shite out of him first.
And your point is?
Posted on 3/24/10 at 12:58 pm to PortCityTiger24
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your "just a game" theories would be much worse imo
Right, a really dark ending where we find out that humans are being manipulated due to an inherent belief in the concept of good and evil by deities who don't really care about them is much worse that a rewrite of the Left Behind series.
Posted on 3/24/10 at 1:00 pm to tuck
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Exactly, hence the "reset" theory as the only "acceptable" solution to this quandary. I can't imagine them letting MiB loose and the world coming to an end (or whatever it will do) and just leaving it at that. Jacob made it sound like it would be bad news if he got off the island. Maybe the writers have some sort of solution already cooked up that doesn't involve the end of the world and a reset.
Something tells me that the Sideflash universe is going to end brutally for everyone since MIB is probably out and about. He may be the president by this point.
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