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re: Looks like Amazon wasn't lying about Rings of Power views.(Update on Page 8)
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:44 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:44 am to OMLandshark
Bezos is your daddy.
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:46 am to TideWarrior
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I thought Amazon touted 25 million viewers and others argued that was to low but based on this chart the article is saying only 12.6 million viewers.
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Rings was seen by 12.6 million viewers in the U.S.
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Amazon.com said its Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power series drew more than 25 million viewers worldwide on its first day.
Viewership arguments are so weird
Reminds me of the NFL ratings threads on the MSB via 2018This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:48 am to TideWarrior
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it suggests somewhere in the neighborhood of 9.6 million U.S
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So another article and it appears that Amazon did not get 25 million viewers as they were trying to tell people for the opening weekend
I'm not saying they got 25 million. But their number was worldwide, not just the US
LOTR is globally loved. The point you're trying to make doesn't add up either. Two pages in and half the people do not understand a single graphic.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 10:50 am
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:53 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I would say %99 of the people watching this have read the source therefore they don't care if it doesn't follow lore, because they don't know any better.
99%? Are you sure about that? Lord of the Rings has sold well over 150 million copies. I’d say at least 20% of the audience has read it.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:53 am to Green Chili Tiger
Still seems very low when you consider Amazon has roughly over 163 million subscribers in the US alone who could watch the show for free and yet generated around 15% of their own viewers.
Also can someone explain to me why the total number of episodes is relevant when talking about opening weekend. I assume the shows like GoT who dropped 1 a week the minutes is the average for the show throughout or just for opening weekend?
Also can someone explain to me why the total number of episodes is relevant when talking about opening weekend. I assume the shows like GoT who dropped 1 a week the minutes is the average for the show throughout or just for opening weekend?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:59 am to TideWarrior
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Also can someone explain to me why the total number of episodes is relevant when talking about opening weekend. I assume the shows like GoT who dropped 1 a week the minutes is the average for the show throughout or just for opening weekend?
It's the total number of minutes streamed per show (not episode) for the week of August 29th through September 4th.
So if you have more episodes available during that week, you should have more streaming hours as people find the time to watch or re-watch.
The episode count listed in the graphic is the total number of episodes that were available to stream during that date range.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:00 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I'm not saying they got 25 million. But their number was worldwide, not just the US LOTR is globally loved.
I forgot it was global the 25 million as they reported.
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the point you're trying to make doesn't add up either.
Have we seen numbers for the rest of the episodes yet to compare or are people getting all wet because data for the first weekend is up which everyone assumed would get lots of viewers. Because even those that had little expectations for the show still watched.
I actually expected more viewers as it is free for anyone with Prime and yet only around 15% watched it. Again I expected to see greater numbers.
The real question how many feel this rating would be the same if Amazon only dropped 1 episode instead of 2 and was it a great marketing choice by Amazon to do so with fear for lower numbers?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:01 am to OMLandshark
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99%? Are you sure about that? Lord of the Rings has sold well over 150 million copies. I’d say at least 20% of the audience has read it.
The question is, of those 150 million copies, how many appendices were read? (Or silmarillion). A small fraction, I would think. So a very small percentage of viewers have any knowledge of the First or Second Age. Meanwhile people like you and me have probably read the appendices more times than the novel itself.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:07 am to MRF
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Meanwhile people like you and me have probably read the appendices more times than the novel itself.
I’ve read the Silmarillion the most out of Tolkien’s works I’ll put it that way.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:07 am to MRF
There are also people who’ve read it all and just enjoy things for what they are.
He acts like 0 people Who have read LOTR could also enjoy this show.
He acts like 0 people Who have read LOTR could also enjoy this show.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:08 am to TideWarrior
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Have we seen numbers for the rest of the episodes yet to compare or are people getting all wet because data for the first weekend is up which everyone assumed would get lots of viewers. Because even those that had little expectations for the show still watched.
No. I believe this is simply a response thread to the multiple "Amazon is lying about the numbers" threads we had after the opening weekend.
I'm sure there will be threads on the numbers, either steady or down, for the next few weeks.
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he real question how many feel this rating would be the same if Amazon only dropped 1 episode instead of 2 and was it a great marketing choice by Amazon to do so with fear for lower numbers?
Obviously with less content hours to watch the numbers would have been lower.
I still don't think you are understanding the chart in the OP, honestly.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:10 am to OMLandshark
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99%? Are you sure about that? Lord of the Rings has sold well over 150 million copies. I’d say at least 20% of the audience has read it.
Lord of the Rings I'd probably agree with you. That being a little higher than I'd think though. But what Rings of Power is drawing from? Even a small number of LOTR readers have read that, much less the general public.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:11 am to Green Chili Tiger
WTF is "me time" at #2
never heard of that
never heard of that
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:13 am to Salmon
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I still don't think you are understanding the chart in the OP, honestly.
To be honest I really do not understand the chart fully but I understand if only 1 episode was dropped the chart would be irrelevant in regards to this show. So Amazon was smart on their part to drop 2 episodes to generate higher numbers viewing. That part is simple.
From what I read though in regards to the chart that the numbers even with using calculations can not truly measure the number of viewers only minutes streamed. Like with HoD for example I was at a watch party with over a hundred people. If only the number of minutes watched were used it would not include the number of people watching.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:17 am to TideWarrior
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To be honest I really do not understand the chart fully but I understand if only 1 episode was dropped the chart would be irrelevant in regards to this show.
Why do you think that? Every other show on that list had more than 2 available to stream that week.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:18 am to TideWarrior
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but I understand if only 1 episode was dropped the chart would be irrelevant in regards to this show. So Amazon was smart on their part to drop 2 episodes to generate higher numbers viewing. That part is simple.
Apparently it isn't simple enough, because you still clearly don't get it.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:18 am to Green Chili Tiger
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It's the total number of minutes streamed per show (not episode) for the week of August 29th through September 4th.
So if you have more episodes available during that week, you should have more streaming hours as people find the time to watch or re-watch.
The episode count listed in the graphic is the total number of episodes that were available to stream during that date range.
Thanks for that clarification on that. I would love to see a chart that measured it against other shows on their opening weekend. That would have more value at least for me.
I know Reacher reached 1.8 billion their highest but dropped all 8 episodes at one time and Coming to America 2 reached 1.4 billion first weekend.
Again I expected higher rating for the show even though my expectation were not high for the story.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:18 am to TideWarrior
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I understand if only 1 episode was dropped the chart would be irrelevant in regards to this show. So Amazon was smart on their part to drop 2 episodes to generate higher numbers viewing. That part is simple.
It wouldn't be "irrelevant". The total hours viewed would simply be less.
And Amazon drops 2-3 episodes of their shows a lot. They did the same thing with the last season of The Boys. It isn't simply something to prop up their Neilson ratings for Rings of Power.
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From what I read though in regards to the chart that the numbers even with using calculations can not truly measure the number of viewers only minutes streamed. Like with HoD for example I was at a watch party with over a hundred people. If only the number of minutes watched were used it would not include the number of people watching.
Well yeah
That has always been a flaw in these ratings.Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:19 am to TideWarrior
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If only the number of minutes watched were used it would not include the number of people watching.
Nielsen has never been able to tell you how many viewers are watching one screen.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:22 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Why do you think that? Every other show on that list had more than 2 available to stream that week.
I am talking about comparing opening weekends/debuts and was unclear on what the chart was referencing as I thought it was comparing the show against other premieres of the shows listed. But now I understand it was not.
Irrelevant in meaning the numbers for 1 episode would be smaller if only dropped 1 for the weekend. Not sure if only 1 episode it would have made the chart.
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