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re: Judd Apatow and Lena Dunham get mad over Girls nudity question

Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:02 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:02 pm to
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It's not a question of ok. It's a question of why. You wouldn't question Dunham being naked if it's a sex scene. If she's naked in scenes that have no logical reason as to why she would be naked, it begs the question as to why she is naked.

Don't be a dummy.

even if allison williams played the main character, at this point, people would make comments about her random nudity

the only difference is that initial shock factor (especially for new viewers) would not exist. that's it

dunham and apatow denying they're trying to troll people is just the height of absurdity and lies
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:03 pm to
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Because she wants to show that people are naked a lot of the time. not just during sex.

let me just also comment that this may be the most retarded argument i've ever heard, and i was raised by hippie parents who were naked A LOT. how many people do you know who do normal, every day things naked as often as LD?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:07 pm to
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Not only is this a perfect description of Lena Dunham, it also accurately describes the problem with this "Millenial" generation.

off topic, but you are coming off as a completely ignorant person. "millenials" are basically fricked, and i think many of them know it and a nihlism is beginning to set in

there aren't professional jobs for them, and the vast majority did everything they were told to do by their parents and grandparents (the people who are prohibiting them from working after they fricked up the economy and refuse to retire)
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:32 pm to
Oh poor Millenials. My heart breaks that this most clueless and entitled generation has to deal with some unexpected adversity and figure out a solution to the problems that face their particular generation just like every other generation has.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:37 pm to
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and figure out a solution to the problems that face their particular generation just like every other generation has

there are no solutions to the problems

17T in debt with an inflated higher education market thanks to policies of their parents and grandparents...but most importantly, there simply are not enough jobs. no other generation has had to stare in the face of abject government collapse...without even having the opportunity to get a job
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 3:53 pm to
This coming from the half-informed dilettante (wanna wrestle?) responsible for hijacking all threads on the PT that even hint at a "things suck now" theme with endless posts about how things have never been better.

The truth is that civilizations ebb and flow. Your ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS generation of effete whiners and hipster do-nothings has a challenge to overcome. It's hardly the Existential crisis faced by other generations, say those born in 1840 or those raised in The Depression and then sent to die in Europe and Asia in WW2.Forty five years ago, they would have drafted half your buddies and sent them to Vietnam.

Your challenge is to reclaim that which has been squandered. As your generation might be the limpest yet, I seriously doubt that. Especially since your generation has completely adopted the worst possible remedy (State Solutions) for that which ills us. Millenials are as responsible for Uncle Obama as anybody else.



Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 4:00 pm to
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the vast majority did everything they were told to do by their parents and grandparents (the people who are prohibiting them from working after they fricked up the economy and refuse to retire)
Bunch of Old Economy Stevens around here.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 4:07 pm to
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with endless posts about how things have never been better.

they haven't been better in terms of human interaction, but if the same generations who did their best to ruin everything don't take it on the chin, then they will probably destroy all of that. i doubt they will

i am enjoying life right now b/c it's almost assured to crash thanks to those who came before me

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Your ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS generation of effete whiners and hipster do-nothings has a challenge to overcome. It's hardly the Existential crisis faced by other generations, say those born in 1840 or those raised in The Depression and then sent to die in Europe and Asia in WW2.Forty five years ago, they would have drafted half your buddies and sent them to Vietnam.

you're comparing apples to oranges. "hipster millenials" completely understand life was shittier in the past

you and others are criticizing them for not doing anything when there is essentially nothing for them to do. then you get mad that a culture developed around this. when an entire generation has bleak economic outlook, they will develop a culture rejecting valuing themselves based on an economic paradigm

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Especially since your generation has completely adopted the worst possible remedy (State Solutions) for that which ills us

every generation supports state solutions in its youth. that is nothing specific to the millenials

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Your challenge is to reclaim that which has been squandered.

fine. retire.

*ETA: and renounced the government programs your generation supported/expanded (and you say the youth today do that, pft)
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 4:24 pm to
There is no way you believe all the utter bs that you type.

The Reagan Revolution that my generation was responsible for has zero similarity to The Obama Forward(!) that your generation is responsible for. We embraced market solutions rather than State Solutions and largely won the argument. Then we wrongly assumed that the collapse of The Soviet Union and twenty years of economic prosperity meant the argument was over. Then millenials came along with Sandra Fluke and Pajama Boy and Lena Dunham and surrendered it all and looked to government to solve your problems. If any generation deserved it's predicament, it's yours.

Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 4:39 pm to
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The Reagan Revolution that my generation was responsible for has zero similarity to The Obama Forward(!)
The Drug War, raising multiple taxes, tripling the federal budget deficit, growing the size and scope of the federal government, supporting amnesty for 3 million undocumented illegals, the illegal funneling of weapons to Iran, supporting/arming/funding/praising/equipping the Islamist mujahidin soldiers of Afghanistan (including future taliban members like Bin Laden) with billions of dollars coupled with intelligence & weapons, support of gun control, increased defense spending, supporting a program that gave out free phones, and the atrocious debt. Yea, totally different. No wonder the boomers are so fricked. Their great 'conservative' hero was a scumbag. Way to set the bar so high. Ronald was the most protectionist President in decades, maybe ever. Obama should be right up your alley.
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Then millenials came along with Sandra Fluke and Pajama Boy and Lena Dunham and surrendered it all and looked to government to solve your problems.
And in 2008 and 2012 supported a Texas Congressman more conservative than anyone since Goldwater, maybe even since Cleveland. That man had more people join his movement and attend his speeches than the plastic schmuck the GOP nominated. And guess what? The majority of those people were college-aged. True conservatism and libertarianism are surging right now in a way people never saw coming; not that corporatist, economic fascism-style conservatism you, the boomers, Reagan, the majority of the GOP, and the last decade+ of Presidential nominees have endorsed. Look who the young people are following now----Amash and the Pauls... men who make Ronald look like Marx.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:04 pm to
Oh please... what a load of dogshit that is...ignorantly portraying Reagan as The Supreme Statist and Goldwater as a Saint.That was about as stupid of a deconstruction of 1980-1988 as I have ever read outside of Mother Jones. Just stop....

Millennials taking credit for a Libertarian revival is utter farce. The only Libertarian Revival will be of the "small l" variety and will take place WITHIN the Republican Party. Ted Cruz Repulican. Ron Paul Republican. Rand Paul Republican.ALL-part of The Conservative Establishment. ALL of those guys came from the Conservative Movement as embodied by Russell Kirk, WFB as well as Goldwater and Reagan. Libertarianism only exists outside academia and philosophical circles, insomuch as Republicans allow it to.

The real legacy of millenials will have nothing to do with either Conservatism or Libertarianism, it will have to do with eagerly embracing the failed Leftist ideology of so many previously discredited movements. And being super-whiny that it is failing again, convinced that their generation was somehow different.

Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:14 pm to
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what a load of dogshit that is
They're facts. Dispute them. I dare you.
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Millennials taking credit for a Libertarian revival is utter farce.
Have you ever been to a Rand, Ron, or Amash speech? Riiiight
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Ron Paul
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part of The Conservative Establishment.
He's their villain. Were you in a cave in 2008?
Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:17 pm to
Did I accidently wander into the Poli Board?

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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:40 pm to
All Ron Paul's speeches and $1.79 might get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Just because you are enthralled and think you have glimpsed the future, doesn't mean that America is having any of it.

America as you know, is too busy watching Lena Dunham and enjoying the cool rhetorical stylings of Barack Obama and his Army of Sandra Fluke-like Millenials. Just because a guy like Paul of Amash can quote Bastiat, doesn't mean they are any less beholden to The Republican Party and dependent on it's support for their political viability.This is the same Justin Amash that received political and financial support from Dick Armey, Steve Forbes, Bill Bennett and Freedom Works, right? The same Freedom Works that points to Ronald Reagan as the Father of their political and philosophical Revolution? I really hate to have to break it to you and point you away from The Unicorns bro, but really, you should know this.


It amuses me that you seriously think that millenials have embraced your brand of Lew Rockwell/Anarcho-Capitalism. That's just rich.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:44 pm to
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The Reagan Revolution that my generation was responsible for has zero similarity to The Obama Forward(!) that your generation is responsible for.

Congress was still mostly Democrat and government kept growing. hell our deficits exploded under Reagan

BV already hit on those high points

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We embraced market solutions rather than State Solutions and largely won the argument.

then why did government get bigger?



create whatever perception bias you wish, but facts are facts. that "market solution" sure did make government grow

and like i said...what do you want millenials to do? there simply aren't jobs for them. hipsters are nothing more than a nicer/more colorful grunge era. you find apathy when people have nothing to do and few economic options

and i have a job...my own job. i was somewhat lucky. millions of my peers are now, and every day that they are not afforded economic opportunity, they fall further behind where they need to be.

and this isn't all due to government. society is making the level of jobs in our society smaller and smaller each year. tens of millions of jobs will disappear over the next couple decades

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If any generation deserved it's predicament, it's yours.

what?

my generation hasn't even had the opportunity to DO anything to deserve anything
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:45 pm to
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doesn't mean that America is having any of it
I wouldn't say otherwise. However, there is certainly a trend and exposure that was non-existent before. You should start paying attention. Don't you wonder why your dream boys have been getting crushed?
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It amuses me that you seriously think that millenials have embraced your brand of Lew Rockwell/Anarcho-Capitalism.
I don't. I'm pointing out that nobody had even heard about those issues in 1988 and now politicians espousing those beliefs have infiltrated Congress. Twice in your post you've had to make-up my beliefs or put words in my mouth. Typical. Just because you were wrong doesn't mean you have to be dishonest to boot; how Mark Levin of you. You know what they say --- birds of a feather.
This post was edited on 1/11/14 at 6:02 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:47 pm to
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Just because you are enthralled and think you have glimpsed the future, doesn't mean that America is having any of it.

but that isn't the point. the point is that there is a large number of young voters who are more conservative than the example you posted as a sign of how it's not your generation's fault. and this is ignoring the objective facts that while under the control of those older than my generation, government continued to grow and grow.

just because you said you supported market solutions doesn't mean that they actually occurred

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Just because a guy like Paul of Amash can quote Bastiat, doesn't mean they are any less beholden to The Republican Party and dependent on it's support for their political viability.

if there is anything 2013 taught us, is that's right now the GOP is beholden to the Amash's and Cruz's of the party

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It amuses me that you seriously think that millenials have embraced your brand of Lew Rockwell/Anarcho-Capitalism. That's just rich.

youth vote liberal

the fact that there is a viable, strong small government wing of this generation just disproves your assertions that there is something wrong with my generation. there is a "lena dunham" in every generation
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:50 pm to
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Did I accidently wander into the Poli Board?


How we go from tits to Reagan is beyond me.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 5:51 pm to
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How we go from tits to Reagan is beyond me.


I was just about to make the same comment, almost word for word.
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