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Jerry Seinfeld talks about why comedy isn't what it used to be...

Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:09 am
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 6:09 am
It really is crazy to me how there seems to be an incredible lack of sitcoms here in the 2020s. Also, back when I was a teenager, you had the standard rom-coms as well as your zany comedic films that starred Adam Sandler and Will Farrell during the summer movie months. You don't really see those anymore either.

Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:04 am to
Without watching

People are soft
Posted by Oizers
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:06 am to
WHATLEY!
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:07 am to
The last moderately decent comedy movie to come out in the last 5 years is Ricky Stanicky

And even that is clearly neutered
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:25 am to
The medium has just shifted, in terms of TV, like with most TV/film content. There are lots of comedy shows, just not your typical dumb sitcoms*. Those are for boomers and trailer parks.

Now the comedy movie issue is another thing that has nothing to do with PC/Leftist crap. Hollywood has just priced out those movies in basically all genres. You don't get the $75M drama that often now, either.

Now, I hope this shifts back, and I think the market can. But this isn't something Leftists have ruined.


*Seinfeld was ahead of its time and anything but your typical dumb sit com, hence why it's so revered to this day as the likely GOAT.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:27 am to
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The last moderately decent comedy movie to come out in the last 5 years is Ricky Stanicky

And even that is clearly neutered

You're talking about big budget hollywood comedies, right?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:38 am to
Doesn't have to be big budget, just focused, well written, and irreverent.

The point he made about every joke having to go through 5 different hands and focus-tested seemed to come from experience.

Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:42 am to
Joke's on Jerry. He's a part of the political apparatus that cause this.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:47 am to
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You're talking about big budget hollywood comedies, right?


Any traditional Hollywood film.

Comedy on “TV” still exists - like Always Sunny, Curb (though it just ended), Veep (though now over), etc
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:47 am to
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Now the comedy movie issue is another thing that has nothing to do with PC/Leftist crap.
You are not a serious person.

You are trying to be contrarian.

Movieweb's top comedies since 2020 all queer/gay/women-centric. Only one was big budget. . .and also was very successful.

Comedies are notoriously low budget, due to less stunts, special effects, CGI, etc

21 Jump Street was made for 42 million, made 3x that domestically.

Posted by UnluckyTiger
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:58 am to
I feel like this picture sums up the face of comedy over the last 6-7 years:

This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 8:00 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:02 am to
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Comedies are notoriously low budget, due to less stunts, special effects, CGI, etc

Hollywood does not distribute these films hardly at all anymore.

There are a few niche horror studios who have deals with big distributors, but that's pretty much the only genre getting small budget movies into nationwide theaters.

You don't see this with dramas, action movies, comedies, etc. anymore. The model just doesn't work economically...or at least Hollywood thinks so.

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21 Jump Street was made for 42 million, made 3x that domestically.

You can always look bad at the successes with hindsight bias.

I'm sure you can find some action, drama, etc. success stories, too.

But as a model, the mid-tier movie doesn't get distributed by Hollywood anymore. I don't like the model, but it has nothing to do with PC/Leftism.

That's why all the comedy movies are made by streaming services now.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:26 am to
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Hollywood does not distribute these films hardly at all anymore.




I mean, I agree that the budgets for all films are too bloated and prohibitive to risky IP. But most of what makes them risky is the constant threat of cancellation (or at the very least bad press) by the left after BLM and (more importantly) MeToo.
Posted by wesfau
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:30 am to
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The medium has just shifted, in terms of TV, like with most TV/film content. There are lots of comedy shows, just not your typical dumb sitcoms*. Those are for boomers and trailer parks.



This is part of it and, by extension, audiences have gotten more sophisticated (pushed by prior works) and demand more than Full House could deliver.

That said, there is still a large audience for garbage like Young Sheldon and the like.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:32 am to
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This is part of it and, by extension, audiences have gotten more sophisticated (pushed by prior works) and demand more than Full House could deliver.

Correct, led by shows like Seinfeld, Arrested Development, and networks like HBO.

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That said, there is still a large audience for garbage like Young Sheldon and the like.

And how many of them aren't on CBS?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:34 am to
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I mean, I agree that the budgets for all films are too bloated and prohibitive to risky IP. But most of what makes them risky is the constant threat of cancellation (or at the very least bad press) by the left after BLM and (more importantly) MeToo.

Distribution is expensive, too. It's more than just the production budget of the movie.

Advertising and distribution costs are tens/hundreds of millions of dollars.

You could have a movie that cost $5k to make gross $10M at the box office and easily lose money for the distributor. It didn't used to be that way.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:35 am to
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The medium has just shifted, in terms of TV, like with most TV/film content. There are lots of comedy shows, just not your typical dumb sitcoms*. Those are for boomers and trailer parks.


You have a point, but I think the point is that now for truly edgy comedy you have to go out of your way instead of, say, just waiting for the next Mel Brooks movie.

That being said, I think it's the result of caving to the "vocal minority", which - admittedly - this country has always had a bad habit of doing.

I have plenty of friends who would call themselves pretty liberal who lament the lack of comedies like those in the past. I think they prefer it when everyone laughs at themselves as well at others, and I think THAT is what changed.

No one is willing to laugh at themselves anymore. A black comedian who makes fun of white people but also makes fun of black people (like Dave Chapelle) isn't going to trigger any but the most "determined to be angry regardless" folks (which I believe aren't any more plentiful than they were before, they just have a much easier time being heard).

I don't think any particular political group is responsible, at least compared to people who - despite being a small minority - insist certain things are off-limits.

John Stewart made a good point when he asked, "Why do people always ask comedians 'Where's the line?' but never seem to ask politicians that question?"

I think a lot of comedians got tired of being asked "Why are you pushing the line?" and instead just decided to tell jokes about food.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:46 am to
This doesn't really have as much to do with the left as it does with having far too many platforms in 2024 to get your content out. There's plenty of funny shows out there, but the talent is so diluted. Instead of movies and cable TV, you have now added Hulu, Max, Prime, Apple, etc. All as major content providers.

So yeah the left does have something to do with comedy not being as good. Don't get me wrong, i hate that you cant call straight males the f word, not because theyre gay, but because theyre being f's.

But Jerry is an idiot for not acknowledging the real reason comedy is struggling. He's just another bitter old head comedian.
Posted by rebelrouser
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:47 am to
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Comedy on “TV” still exists - like Always Sunny, Curb (though it just ended), Veep (though now over), etc


Two cancelled shows and one that should have been. I would go with Bookie on HBO as an example of good comedy although it has a lot of woke themes.
Posted by wesfau
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:49 am to
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That being said, I think it's the result of caving to the "vocal minority", which - admittedly - this country has always had a bad habit of doing


Nah, this boogeyman is tired. Put him to bed.

Punching down and being a mouthy a-hole just isn't as "edgy" as it once was. Smart comedy takes more effort to produce and digest. The masses generally aren't up to the challenge and/or are just too tired to try.
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