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re: Is Joffrey Baratheon the most despicable character ever written?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:25 pm to CottonWasKing
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:25 pm to CottonWasKing
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the bruises on his face
I think she was referring to a diferent type of bruising.
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:27 pm to shinerfan
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I think she was referring to a diferent type of bruising.
There is at least one scene that Robert bruises her face.
"I'll wear this as a badge of honor"
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:27 pm to CottonWasKing
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People quote Joffrey's killing of pregnant cats as sadistic yet it isn't sadistic to kill a pregnant woman?
Jesus Christ Robert really can do no wrong in yalls eyes can he?
He praised Tywin and Gregor Clegane for killing children. That is not sadistic?
Did the pregnant cat pose the kind of threat to Joffrey that the Dothraki posed to Robert?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:28 pm to shinerfan
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Did the pregnant cat pose the kind of threat to Joffrey that the Dothraki posed to Robert?
Pretty much.
"I will fear the Dothraki when they teach their horses to run on water"
Khal Drogo had pretty much decided against going to westeros until the attempt on Dany's life.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:32 pm to CottonWasKing
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You're missing the point I'm not relieving Cersei of the blame
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Everything Joffrey knows he learned from Robert. The difference is Robert won his throne with fire and sword and proved himself on the battlefield.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:35 pm to St Augustine
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tigerinstaugustine
That was in reference to his ineptitude as king. One of Robert's main shortcomings.
I have also stated a metric shite ton of times that I AM NOT RELIEVING CERSEI OF BLAME.
I will say it once again maybe you will understand this time
I. AM. NOT. RELIEVING. CERSEI. OF. BLAME.
Did you get it? Or shall I repeat it once more?
btw you still need to go delete the spoiler you quoted a page back. People don't need to see that shite without warning.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:35 pm to shinerfan
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None of that is sadistic. Pragmatic, brutal, and arguably evil, sure. But he didn't hurt people just because he could. Robert was a drunk brute, but Joffrey is a sadistic little psychopath. Neither are admirable, but they're really apples and oranges.
Pretty much agree with this. Robert was a drunken pig, a bad husband, father and king but Joffrey is as you aptly point out is a sadistic psychopath; perfect characterization. Nothing in Joffrey's upbringing/environment really explains his nature. After all the other members of his family are at least sane. Joffrey appears to be the product of incestual genetics gone awry.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:38 pm to davesdawgs
Ramsay Bolton/Snow and Roose Bolton are sadistic psychopaths.
Joffrey is a pathetic little shite with a broken home complex.
you see psychopaths are at least semi intelligent. A trait Joffrey lacks completely.
Joffrey is a pathetic little shite with a broken home complex.
you see psychopaths are at least semi intelligent. A trait Joffrey lacks completely.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:40 pm to CottonWasKing
Robert is definitely to blame for a lot of this. He was a manwhore and a drunk, no doubt about that and how he was abusive towards Cersei. Ed would've been a better king.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:41 pm to CottonWasKing
I wrote spoilers on it.
Dude your started this entire debate with " make no mistake this was Roberts war" then told a guy who joked that there is no intelligent way that could be debated
Dude your started this entire debate with " make no mistake this was Roberts war" then told a guy who joked that there is no intelligent way that could be debated
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:44 pm to St Augustine
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Dude your started this entire debate with " make no mistake this was Roberts war" then told a guy who joked that there is no intelligent way that could be debated
This was Robert's war.
If he has control of his kingdom none of this ever happens.
He lost control of his family then he lost control of his court then he got his best friend killed because he was too blind to see what was in front of his face the whole time. This was most definitely Robert's war.
He was a simple minded man who fell upon greatness and let it kill him and everyone he loved.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:47 pm to CottonWasKing
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This was Robert's war.
If he has control of his kingdom none of this ever happens.
He did, somewhat. Things go to hell once he dies, which means, as inept as he was, he was holding everything together.
So, who killed Robert? That person is responsible for this war. Period.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:47 pm to CottonWasKing
and don't forget that Lyanna hated Robert also and stated that he would never quit drinking and whoring. Not even for a woman he loved as much as Lyanna
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:50 pm to Tom288
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So, who killed Robert? That person is responsible for this war. Period.
To be technical Robert killed Robert. Lancel didn't pour that wine down his throat he got fat and let himself go then he got drunk. Then his ego had him killed. Sure Cersei gave him stronger wine but a man as old and as experienced in wine as Robert should know better.
and he never had control of his court his wife had three kids by one of his bodyguards that is not in control.
Everything went to shite when Jon Arryn died and he died because of Robert's ignorance.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:52 pm to CottonWasKing
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He lost control of his family then he lost control of his court then he got his best friend killed because he was too blind to see what was in front of his face the whole time. This was most definitely Robert's war.
So the actions of everyone else was all Roberts fault? You bash him for being brutal, yet because he failed to realize all of the surrounding deception and handle it brutally,said deception and political posturing is his fault? The lannisters planning his death is his fault? Robert was trying to create stability in having both Arryn and Ned as the hand because he knew he was incapable of ruling effectively. Jesus man, that's pretty much understood and clearly stated.
So Cersei and Jamie's incestuous relationship was Roberts fault?
Their plotting to kill Jon Arryn because he figured it out was Robert's fault?
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:53 pm to CottonWasKing
umm Jon Arryn didn't die b/c of Robert
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:53 pm to CottonWasKing
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To be technical Robert killed Robert. Lancel didn't pour that wine down his throat he got fat and let himself go then he got drunk. Then his ego had him killed. Sure Cersei gave him stronger wine but a man as old and as experienced in wine as Robert should know better.
If the boar didn't get him Cersei states that she would have eventually. And you can argue that Robert made a responsible, rational choice when he made Ned Hand of the King. Had Robert not died Ned would have made a lot of changes.
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:54 pm to St Augustine
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So the actions of everyone else was all Roberts fault? You bash I'm for being brutal, yet because he failed to realize all of the surrounding deception and handle it brutally said deception and political posturing is his fault? The lannisters planning his death is his fault? Robert was trying to create stability in having both Arryn and Ned as the hand because he knew he was incapable of ruling effectively. Jesus man, that's pretty much understood. So Cersei and Jamie's incestuous relationship was Roberts fault? Their plotting to kill Jon Arryn because he figured it out was Robert's fault?
SPOILERS!!!!!
First of all if its anyones fault other than Robert's its Littlefinger's.
Second he is king. When a coach has a losing season because of lack of talent is it the players fault because they aren't good enough or the coach's for lack of recruiting?
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:55 pm to NIH
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umm Jon Arryn didn't die b/c of Robert
If Robert noticed that Cersei was being fricked by her brother in his own castle then Jon Arryn and Robert and Ned would still be alive and the realm would still be at peace.
Or maybe just maybe if Robert would have been even half of a husband she wouldn't have been fricking her brother to begin with
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:58 pm to CottonWasKing
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Or maybe just maybe if Robert would have been even half of a husband she wouldn't have been fricking her brother to begin with
Snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
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