re: Is Joffrey Baratheon the most despicable character ever written?

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I know, but it just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about IMO.

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Because I forgot about something that I acknowledged to be true when reminded of I don't know what I'm talking about? ok

Everyone in here obviously knows a lot about this series and we have obviously come to different interpretations of the man Robert was. I think he was a pathetic little shite who drove the realm to war while yall think he was this innocent imbecile.

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The difference between "hatred" and "dislike" notwithstanding, where is it in the books? quote:

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I don't remember which book exactly but I'm pretty sure it was in Game of Thrones could be wrong though but it was stated that she dreaded marrying him and disliked him due to the numerous bastards he had already sired and that she knew he would never quit drinking and whoring and Ned couldn't bring himself to lie to her.

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Again, where?

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AFFC

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I don't remember which book exactly but I'm pretty sure it was in Game of Thrones could be wrong though but it was stated that she dreaded marrying him and disliked him due to the numerous bastards he had already sired and that she knew he would never quit drinking and whoring and Ned couldn't bring himself to lie to her.

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At most your "evidence" points to dislike, which is not hatred.

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AFFC

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You'll have to be more specific.

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Everyone in here obviously knows a lot about this series and we have obviously come to different interpretations of the man Robert was. I think he was a pathetic little shite who drove the realm to war while yall think he was this innocent imbecile.

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Wow way to completely change what everyone else has said about Robert. Please link to where anyone even remotely called him remotely close to an innocent imbecile.

Since it seems evident that you're going to basically exonerate anyone else of responsibility when it comes to the war I realize that arguing this very simple point with someone whose recollection of the books is shoddy at best is pointless.

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Lyanna's hatred (or at the very least dislike) of Robert is most definitely in the books.

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There is one passage where Ned remembers telling her that Robert would be true and she says that he'll never be faithful to one woman. Its simply delusional to imply that she hated or even disliked him. That's not even hinted at.

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He most definitely raped the Queen regularly. That was most certainly in the books.

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Again, there's one passage. You said he beat her regularly. Not in the books he didn't.

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Since when are children enemies?

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When they have a better claim to the throne than you do and are trying to hire sellswords and eventually marry a particularly fierce warlord with a pretty impressive army? Khal Rhaeghal would have posed no threat to Robert and the realm?

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Now Robert didn't do that but most certainly did not condemn it and you could even say that he condoned it. Now that is most certainly in the text.

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So he should have started a second war, this time against the Lannister's? In hindsight, he probably should have but he erred on the side of peace for the realm.

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I think he was a pathetic little shite who drove the realm to war while yall think he was this innocent imbecile.

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Didn't the realm have a significant time of peace under him though?

I don't think any one thing contributed more than another to Joffrey's batshit craziness. I'd say the combo of incest, a mother who is as ruthless as most of the men who have ruled the realm, and a father who was emotionally absent as a result of how he ended up with Ceresi to begin with all had their fair share in the making of the monster.

When you think of Robert you have to keep in mind the woman he loved (whether she loved him back or not) died at the hands of his enemy (to his knowledge) and he got stuck with a broad that was fricking and in love with her brother. That'll drive you to be a drunk, whoring bastard most of them time I'd think. Robert may have been pretty full of himself coming in and pretty ruthless because a successful soldier has to be, but not as black and white as you're putting it.

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When they have a better claim to the throne than you do and are trying to hire sellswords and eventually marry a particularly fierce warlord with a pretty impressive army? Khal Rhaeghal would have posed no threat to Robert and the realm?

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Exile them. It worked for the Targs.
Khal Drogo had all but decided against invading westoros until Robert's assassin was caught.

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So he should have started a second war, this time against the Lannister's? In hindsight, he probably should have but he erred on the side of peace for the realm.

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He should have never gotten into bed with Tywin Lannister to begin with. He was not needed to win the war. Ned Stark was on the doorstep of kingsleading with his force and the war was all but won.

Behead Gregor strip the lannister's of some of their lands and titles therefore weakening their influence through Gold and take Jamie as a hostage. He already has him in King's landing.

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Khal Drogo had all but decided against invading westoros until Robert's assassin was caught.

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And Robert knew this how? The targaryn kids marry off the girl to the most vicious warlord there was but Robert is supposed to just read said warlords mind?

Ohhhhh so now we're conveniently listening to the hand. I thought it was Robert's place to rule

Now in 100 words or less. Tell me how it's Roberts fault that upon his death renly, stannis, Joffrey, rob, and the iron born all decide they want what they want.