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Interesting article on Netflix Original Series
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:43 am
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:43 am
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Is Netflix’s Marco Polo a success? It was renewed for season 2, so that means it connected with audiences, right? Well, we don’t know. The series was eviscerated by the majority of critics and has little-to-no awards buzz. There’s next to no fan interaction from even the all-too-familiar vocal minority. There’s no sign of the show on Netflix’s various TV spots, touting the series that can be found on the service. We have no idea how to value the show because Netflix refuses to reveal the one thing we could go on: how many of its 50 million global subscribers actually watched it. All we have is the faith that the show was worthy of a season 2 order. But how do we know Netflix isn’t purely trying to protect its brand by not revealing the numbers? How do we know the show wasn’t a failure – a perception the company wants to avoid? We don’t, and that’s the problem.
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How much longer can Netflix’s data secrecy be maintained when contracts with talent start coming due? Agents and managers are going to start wanting to know just how much their clients are worth to the service, and if Netflix refuses to share that information, there will be nothing stopping those high-profile names from walking across town to HBO.
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Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:48 am to BilJ
i thought Marco Polo was just ok. they sure do take their sweet time to flesh out storylines and such.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:48 am to BilJ
I was wondering about this the other day in a conversation with someone about original content for things like Hulu/Netflix/etc. How can you tell how popular those shows are without knowing the viewership numbers?
It is 100% in NF's own interest to not reveal shitty numbers. And I honestly believe that the boom in original series like these are because they're new, and their populatiry will fade a bit over time. Obviously there will be exceptions with shows that are legitimately good, but I think a lot of people are just excited because these are some of the first real shows that have "network feel" to them that people can watch without being tied to cable subscriptions. I could be wrong, but I'd bet shows like this are the most popular among the "cut the cord" crowd because it's basically like their new, shiny toy.
It is 100% in NF's own interest to not reveal shitty numbers. And I honestly believe that the boom in original series like these are because they're new, and their populatiry will fade a bit over time. Obviously there will be exceptions with shows that are legitimately good, but I think a lot of people are just excited because these are some of the first real shows that have "network feel" to them that people can watch without being tied to cable subscriptions. I could be wrong, but I'd bet shows like this are the most popular among the "cut the cord" crowd because it's basically like their new, shiny toy.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:49 am to The Egg
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i thought Marco Polo was just ok
Watched 2 or 3 episodes and couldn't do it any more.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 9:52 am to SG_Geaux
quote:did the same with hemlock grove.
Watched 2 or 3 episodes and couldn't do it any more.
just couldn't get any more into it.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:02 am to The Egg
I rather enjoyed Marco Polo 
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:03 am to BilJ
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Is Netflix’s Marco Polo a success? It was renewed for season 2
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:09 am to BilJ
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There’s next to no fan interaction from even the all-too-familiar vocal minority.
This is one of the problems with original binge series, they aren't appointment television so it's hard to get word of mouth and buzz. I will say that House of Cards and Orange is the New Black had more traction on this board meaning Marco Polo is probably less successful. I haven't watched yet, but I will get to it eventually, although I still haven't finished season 2 of HoC.
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Agents and managers are going to start wanting to know just how much their clients are worth to the service, and if Netflix refuses to share that information, there will be nothing stopping those high-profile names from walking across town to HBO.
This may be true if NetFlix is both low balling people and HBO has opportunities available, but I haven't heard a single person involved in a NetFlix Original say a bad word about them, in fact they pretty much all gush. quote:
But what happens when you can’t make the next House of Cards because the next Kevin Spacey has grown wise to the secrets being hidden?
If the creative talent is getting paid and their content is getting released, why do they care? I suppose from a resume padding since it'd be nice to say if a show was successful, but outside of that, the article just doesn't seem to like that NetFlix is doing things differently and can't comprehend how a non transparent system could work. It works by NetFlix knowing what a show is worth to them and the creative talent agreeing that they are being given enough compensation and resources to make it.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:42 am to CocomoLSU
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I honestly believe that the boom in original series like these are because they're new, and their populatiry will fade a bit over time. Obviously there will be exceptions with shows that are legitimately good, but I think a lot of people are just excited because these are some of the first real shows that have "network feel" to them that people can watch without being tied to cable subscriptions. I could be wrong, but I'd bet shows like this are the most popular among the "cut the cord" crowd because it's basically like their new, shiny toy.
To me the big problem long term isn't will the newness wear off, it's how will we find out about something we aren't all watching at the same time?
Take HoC or OITNB, both typically have about 2 serious threads per "season", one when the new season is released and then one a few months later when somone new gets around to watching it and starts a thread. Contrast that with a show like Game of Thrones which has threads all over the board for about 3-4 months straight. I'm not sure I ever bother checking out GoT if it weren't for the level of interest I saw in it here. The same with Breaking Bad. These new shows released in binge format will never be able to generate the same kind of following.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:42 am to CocomoLSU
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new, shiny toy.
It helps when one of the first original series (House of Cards) is legitimately really good.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
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This is one of the problems with original binge series, they aren't appointment television so it's hard to get word of mouth and buzz
It also is a build up with a VERY quick release, as there isn't any week-to-week anticipation, or really even time to digest an episode and discuss it or whatever. You just get really amped for the new season and then blow through it over a weekend and then you're back to square one again.
This is definitely one disadvantage to binge watching, like in the thread earlier this week about this.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 10:52 am to CocomoLSU
Binge release looks like a doomed to fail format to me. Once the last episode is out leave them all up, but release each episode on a schedule to create buzz. That's probably the newness that will wear off, we'll realize binging has a serious down side.
This post was edited on 1/30/15 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:01 am to TigerinATL
you'd think but I'm sure netflix has their reasons for doing it all at once as well.
pretty much every move this company has made since its inception has been "ehh that won't last..." and they keep proving people wrong
pretty much every move this company has made since its inception has been "ehh that won't last..." and they keep proving people wrong
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:09 am to BilJ
I enjoyed MP. I really had to pay attention to it and not play on my phone or iPad at the same time or I would confused quickly. The hot naked girls are a plus also.
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:17 am to The Egg
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thought Marco Polo was just ok
I would have thought you were all over the high amount of naked azn chickc
Posted on 1/30/15 at 11:38 am to The Egg
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i thought Marco Polo was just ok.
My question about Marco Polo: who is the protagonist of the show?
Don't say Marco Polo just because his name is in the title.
They could just as easily have called the show "Kublai Khan."
Marco's storyline was kind of uninteresting. Things happened around him. He made very little happen himself.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:12 am to SpqrTiger
All I know is that I will be getting a Netflix subscription as soon as Daredevil debuts.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 2:31 am to CocomoLSU
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I think a lot of people are just excited because these are some of the first real shows that have "network feel" to them that people can watch without being tied to cable subscriptions.
I watch Netflix originals because they DON'T have a network feel.
Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:22 am to BilJ
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We have no idea how to value the show because Netflix refuses to reveal the one thing we could go on
Good frick critics and frick the corporations shite canning every televising show that doesn't appeal to the lowest common denominator.
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How do we know the show wasn’t a failure – a perception the company wants to avoid? We don’t, and that’s the problem.
Thats not a problem.
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Agents and managers are going to start wanting to know just how much their clients are worth to the service, and if Netflix refuses to share that information, there will be nothing stopping those high-profile names from walking across town to HBO.
Then go ahead to HBO. The Netflix originals I've watched are fantastic and Netflix will no doubt be able to maintain their great shows. Because they can't book some money hungry dick cheese doesn't mean they have to change their business model.
This is what makes Netflix great and it's making the cable companies and broadcast networks shite their pants. Netflix can throw up a small comedy or give a show a chance that might only appeal to a minority and it's ok. It isn't driven by advertisement revenue that ties directly to a shows life.
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 6:24 am
Posted on 2/4/15 at 6:57 am to BilJ
i admit i was surprised netflix didn't release a few episodes at a time, as opposed to an entire season....but since they're continuing to do it, i guess it's working for them, so who am i to judge their business model...
still crossing my fingers that they'll pick up 'legit'...
still crossing my fingers that they'll pick up 'legit'...
This post was edited on 2/4/15 at 6:59 am
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