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re: How would you structure Star Wars IX?

Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:29 pm to
In all honesty, with where it stands now, I bring in some third element to try and takeover the whole thing.

First Order is in shambles - not a very effective fighting force and its leader is incompetent and the second in command is literally a clown.

The entirety of the Rebellion/Republic can fit on the Falcon.

Have some third party swoop down. Might as well use rich weapons manufacturers since apparently those are the bad guys. Causes both Rey and Ren to re-examine and realize that they need both sides of the force to win.

Some of the things you said too (such as Rey's parents) would need to happen.

Also, I keep Princess Leia alive and part of the group, but never having any screen time. You see her outfit just on the outside of the shot. you see her hair as someone's talking to the group. just because @#$@# Rian for leaving that hole for me to have to fill.

Posted by LSUTyger76
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:41 pm to
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Rey has trained up 12 padawans

Now that we've seen the destruction of the Jedi Academy, I really want to know more about the Knights of Ren. Were they the handful of pupils that left with Kylo that Luke mentioned? I would assume that means they are force sensitive as well and could really do some damage to the students Rey would be "teaching".

Posted by Red5LSU
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:44 pm to
It starts off with Finn still in his medical pod and he suddenly wakes up. Everything in Episode VIII was a force vision and Episode IX is Finn correcting the "mistakes" of Episode VIII.

Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:59 pm to
1) Luke wakes Rey up the morning after she gets to the island (and after she had given him the lightsaber).

2) She tells him about the weird as frick dream she had, starting with the dumbass tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder.

3) He laughs as he holds it out for her to see, and tells her she needs to lay off the space brandy.

4) The real training and story begins.
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:01 pm to
Jar Jar's retarded son, Rian Johnson, teams up with Rose on a dangerous rebel mission after opening credits. They are both captured and brutally tortured for 10 straight minutes of screen time and are never mentioned again.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:11 pm to
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With what was given to us, I really have no idea how to structure the sequel
Are we 100% sure this is JUST a trilogy, or is there room for more than just 3 movies?

I've only ever watched the movies and read 1-2 older books (before the prequels ever came out); but my son is a SW geek. I seem to remember him telling me of one story, where Palpatine actually knew (Force precognition) of a greater outside threat, and the Empire war machine was in preparation for that.

If you take that concept and overlay it with the current films- we no longer have much military might, and only a couple Force users left. In other words, the galaxy is ripe for invasion.

Such a situation would push Kylo and Rey together, as they are what little is left to defend.
added- only 2 Force users, one Dark, one Light, neither have a mentor anymore. They are on their own.

Now, to do that justice, you need more than just one movie. However, Marvel has shown that you can string together 18 movies to make a story as in-depth as a TV show; every episode is a feature film. Certainly, a property such as Star Wars can handle that too, if you are patient and craft the story well.

We've seen Kylo and Rey work together well, and we've seen that you don't trust Kylo when it's over. But if you extend the larger conflict so that a single battle doesn't end the threat, he's relatively safe as an ally; he will address the task at hand, and you can always have the "maybe they can finally reconcile him" part in the background.

If you want to take Rose's message of 'saving what we love, not killing what we hate' , then the Resistance (and Galaxy) appealing to Kylo to save everyone from the outside threat actually fits.\

Finn-"I would never trust Kylo Ren"
Rey-"well, we're all going to die otherwise. He's our only hope. And his name is Ben Skywalker, not Kylo Ren. I've met him, I know there's still good in him"


Several series have taken a few episodes to get things rolling, so we may well have greatness still at hand. We might look back and say "wow I didn't see this coming".
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:14 pm to
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God Disney really fricked everything.

Let's not pretend that TFA didn't suck.

My suggestion - Kennedy's head on a block. Big sledge hammer. Structure.
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:15 pm to
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It's not that it has to be. It's that this was set up in VII only to be completed destroyed in VIII. Her reaction to the light saber was fairly specific



Except that it wasn't really. Maz's line to her in the force awakens told us. We just didn't want to believe it so we spent 2 years building it up.


The force just used the light saber to show her she had potential.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted by Vood
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:16 pm to
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I don’t care anymore.

I won’t be seeing it.


Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
1164 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:17 pm to
It's just a trilogy. Sure it can change but it doesn't appear that will be the case. In my opinion Rey is totally done with Kylo.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:21 pm to
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Except that it wasn't really
Yes, yes it was.
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Maz's line to her in the force awakens told us. We just didn't want to believe it so we spent 2 years building it up.
I don't understand this.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:22 pm to
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Let's not pretend that TFA didn't suck.



TFA at least kept everyone guessing on which direction they were going to take it. No one gives a single frick about the direction after TLJ, and everyone seems to be bewildered if anything due to the narrative that makes no fricking sense whatsoever.
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:25 pm to
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I don't understand this




She tells rey that rey knows who she was waiting for on jaku wasn't coming back, but someone still could.




This doesn't even get into the timeline issues of her being Luke's kid.


I've said it before. In early stages of production Rey went from being a solo, to a Kenobi, to the idea that she wasn't any of those. That's the direction Disney went with. She is no one
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:29 pm to
Hmmm, regarding a long new Star Wars series of movies vs an outside threat-
and my son told me the outsiders weren't vulnerable to the Force. Couple that with the Star Wars mythos of the Force as being symbiotic with living organisms...

The Force Awakens- The Force (light and dark) "awakens" to the impending outside threat coming to destroy all life, and with it the Force. There is no balance, so it 'creates' Rey to balance Kylo, having a 1:1 balance.

The Last Jedi- removes the older generations, including the Light and Dark siders that are fighting each other. The Force "understands" that you will need a UNITED Force to oppose the impending threat.
Bye bye Snoke, thanks for making Ben the required Dark.
Bye bye Luke, you did a good job but we can't be stamping out the Dark Side right now. Greater Good, and all that. Plus, you're ready to retire.
And honestly, there ARE some hints of a unity in the Force in Luke's old books, mentions that the Jedi abandoned some things later on. Perhaps they lacked the foresight to realize the Dark Side would someday be necessary?

Anyway, the table is now set, if they so choose, to start a new desperate battle for survival, one in which old enemies must unite or become extinct.

Disney took Marvel, they have the people with the "long story" formula. Star Wars IS the best potential "long story" around.
Posted by Haughton99
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:29 pm to
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The entirety of the Rebellion/Republic can fit on the Falcon.



This is the biggest head scratcher of the TLJ. We are somehow supposed to logically get to a happy ending from this point when the the Rebellion is one lightly trained Jedi and a few friends.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:29 pm to
Only Grand Admiral Thrawn could save this shite show.
Posted by Scoob
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22968 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:33 pm to
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It's just a trilogy. Sure it can change but it doesn't appear that will be the case. In my opinion Rey is totally done with Kylo.


God, I hope they figure out that they could expand this. Trilogies were great when you could make 3 good films in a decade; as pointed out, Marvel has shoved close to 20 into a decade.

If you have the right overall story and things start moving, people would forget that it started off clumsy.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:33 pm to
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This is the biggest head scratcher of the TLJ. We are somehow supposed to logically get to a happy ending from this point when the the Rebellion is one lightly trained Jedi and a few friends.



Plus no one knows what happened to Luke Skywalker. For all they know, Kylo Ren killed him. How is word of this getting out? At best the other planets will think the Resistance and the First Order were a bunch of losers that killed each other off. Someone should easily be able to field an army to take on the remains of the First Order.
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
1164 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:38 pm to
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God, I hope they figure out that they could expand this. Trilogies were great when you could make 3 good films in a decade; as pointed out, Marvel has shoved close to 20 into a decade. 

If you have the right overall story and things start moving, people would forget that it started off clumsy.



I think their goal is to finish this trilogy. Keep up with doing spin off films and do another trilogy in 10 years or so.


Obvisoly that can change.
Posted by Rhames
Member since Apr 2013
1164 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 2:39 pm to
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Plus no one knows what happened to Luke Skywalker. For all they know, Kylo Ren killed him. How is word of this getting out? At best the other planets will think the Resistance and the First Order were a bunch of losers that killed each other off. Someone should easily be able to field an army to take on the remains of the First Order.



Isn't that kind of explained with the kids at the end?


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