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How much improvisation takes place with movie scripts?
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:21 am
Use Life (Eddie/Martin) as an example… great movie, excellent cast, everything about it almost seems perfect.
The dialogue was really strong, but how much of that is Murphy and Lawrence just doing their thing and saying funny shite?
I know there’s some people on here that know a lot about the process, so I’m just curious in a conversation about scripts, improvising lines, directors that are strict about sticking to source material, etc.
The dialogue was really strong, but how much of that is Murphy and Lawrence just doing their thing and saying funny shite?
I know there’s some people on here that know a lot about the process, so I’m just curious in a conversation about scripts, improvising lines, directors that are strict about sticking to source material, etc.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:30 am to Honest Tune
Depends on the director.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:36 am to Honest Tune
It varies widely based on producer, director and screenwriter.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:38 am to Honest Tune
The problem in most movies with improvisation is BOTH actors in any particular scene have to be good at it to make it work.
Dustin Hoffman's "I'm walking here" line in Midnight Cowboy was improvised, but directed at the car driver with no interaction from the driver, so it worked and was left in the film.
Same for Roy Scheider's line in "Jaws" when he first saw the shark and says, "We're gonna need a bigger boat". It was directed at Quint, but no line came back from Quint.
Can you imagine trying to improvise dialogue with a guy like Robin Wiliams???? He is said to have done that a lot on the TV show "Mork & Mindy" and it was hard on the cast to attempt to keep up because they never knew what was coming out his mouth next.
Dustin Hoffman's "I'm walking here" line in Midnight Cowboy was improvised, but directed at the car driver with no interaction from the driver, so it worked and was left in the film.
Same for Roy Scheider's line in "Jaws" when he first saw the shark and says, "We're gonna need a bigger boat". It was directed at Quint, but no line came back from Quint.
Can you imagine trying to improvise dialogue with a guy like Robin Wiliams???? He is said to have done that a lot on the TV show "Mork & Mindy" and it was hard on the cast to attempt to keep up because they never knew what was coming out his mouth next.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:44 am to gumbo2176
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Can you imagine trying to improvise dialogue with a guy like Robin Wiliams???? He is said to have done that a lot on the TV show "Mork & Mindy" and it was hard on the cast to attempt to keep up because they never knew what was coming out his mouth next.
Good example. His gay brother in Doubtfire was perfect at just being a sponge with him.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:45 am to Honest Tune
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source material
From what I understand, if the script has been through revisions/polish and the screenwriter(s) is well-respected, the director and actors usually give it a solid go at delivering what is written. They deviate only if the starting point is not working.
However, there are always exceptions, especially if a director has an open approach to dialogue and/or actors are hired specifically for their improvisation skills.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:48 am to Ace Midnight
Yea, like the conversation with Andy and Redd in the library in Shawshank when Andy makes Redd laugh out loud at his comment about learning to be a crook in prison.
That exchange feels like something Freeman and Robbins worked up together.
That exchange feels like something Freeman and Robbins worked up together.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 9:33 am to Honest Tune
More improv in comedies. Less in action and drama
Many times directors will have the actors do it as written in the script and then do a couple of off the cuff takes
Many times directors will have the actors do it as written in the script and then do a couple of off the cuff takes
Posted on 11/13/23 at 9:33 am to Honest Tune
I would think it would depend alot on the director and the leads getting along. Some actors want to change stuff to fit their image or flex.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 9:41 am to Honest Tune
I’ve heard the Coen Brothers do not allow improvisation. And their scripts are mostly perfect, so it makes sense. I imagine a lot of writer-directors don’t take too kindly to fricking with their scripts.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 10:01 am to TTB
Posted on 11/13/23 at 10:21 am to Froman
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I’ve heard the Coen Brothers do not allow improvisation. And their scripts are mostly perfect, so it makes sense. I imagine a lot of writer-directors don’t take too kindly to fricking with their scripts.
100%. The one line that always stuck with me in NCFOM, when Moss tells Karla, “keep talkin’ and I’ll take ya in the back and screw ya.” *pops beer tab*… that seemed like a nice ad-lib by Brolin.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 11:48 am to gumbo2176
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Robin Williams
Good Morning Vietnam
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Robin Williams ad-libbed all of Adrian Cronauer's broadcasts.
Aladidn
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During the course of recording the voices, the late Robin Williams improvised so much they had almost sixteen hours of material. Because Robin Williams ad-libbed so many of his lines, the script was rejected for a Best Adapted Screenplay Academy Award nomination.
Williams was the master of this in many of his movies
Posted on 11/13/23 at 11:56 am to TideWarrior
That’s crazy about the Aladdin part
Posted on 11/13/23 at 11:57 am to TideWarrior
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Good Morning Vietnam
It works in that film because it's just him on a studio microphone talking to a listening audience, not ongoing dialogue with another actor.
"Aladdin" voiceover work that can be cut/edited/recorded again. Easy to get away with adlibbing in that situation when not face to face with another actor having to be equally quick of wit to respond and make it all make sense.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 11:58 am to TideWarrior
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Aladidn
I like how you improvised the spelling of this word.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 12:15 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Nevermind
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 11/13/23 at 12:31 pm to Honest Tune
Most-memorable improvised line? Has to be Han Solo's "I know" from Empire. Snopes has a pretty good write-up on it here.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 1:10 pm to gumbo2176
But what made him the best at it is no matter the situation he could do it.
In Good Will Hunting in the middle of a scene/dialog with Damon he created the story about his wife farting.
Did the same thing in films like Mrs. Doubtfire and others.
He could do it by himself or with other actors.
In Good Will Hunting in the middle of a scene/dialog with Damon he created the story about his wife farting.
Did the same thing in films like Mrs. Doubtfire and others.
He could do it by himself or with other actors.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 1:45 pm to TideWarrior
I hate the Joe Swanberg improvised films/shows (e.g., Drinking Buddies, Easy). I think it's just lazy and creates crap.
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