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re: How much better would Godfather III have been if Duvall was in it?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:32 pm to lacajun069
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:32 pm to lacajun069
Tom was a homeless child that Sonny brought home. Vito took him off the streets and raised him as his own son and as a brother to Sonny, Mike and the retarded gimp.
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Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:49 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Are you serious? He killed his own brother for Christ's sake!
Well, Fredo did help out with a hit on Michael "in his bedroom, where his wife sleeps, and his kids sometimes play!"
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Easily the former rather than the latter
Ok
Posted on 3/4/12 at 8:59 pm to Choupique19
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Was Micheal Corleone a bad guy who lost his family? Or a hero, and one to be admired?
he's the protagonist of the story, but by no means a hero. The story is really about his downfall. While the GF was a ruthless, criminal, he was respected and loved by his family. Michael is feared and in his drive to protect the family, he loses his family and ends up with nothing but his cronies around him.
However, because he is the protagonist, I do not think he can be a villain. IMO, the villain must be an antagonist, though not all antagonists are villains
Posted on 3/4/12 at 9:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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he's the protagonist of the story, but by no means a hero. The story is really about his downfall. While the GF was a ruthless, criminal, he was respected and loved by his family. Michael is feared and in his drive to protect the family, he loses his family and ends up with nothing but his cronies around him.
Thanks.
Why was Vito so inept at grooming one of his children to be his successor? Sonny the hothead, Freddo the weakling. What was Michael's downfall? Lack of compassion?
Posted on 3/4/12 at 9:29 pm to Choupique19
That's just my opinion, TIFWIW 
Good question, maybe its the lifestyle, that takes a toll. As for Fredo, they show him sick as a baby, I think we are supposed to think that his illness affected him later.
Michael is cold and calculating. He wants to protect "the family" which is nothing but a corp but in the process, ruins the actual family.
ETA: FFC said part II was partially an analogy to Nixon, letting paranoia ruin him and ending up alone.
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Why was Vito so inept at grooming one of his children to be his successor? Sonny the hothead, Freddo the weakling. What was Michael's downfall? Lack of compassion?
Good question, maybe its the lifestyle, that takes a toll. As for Fredo, they show him sick as a baby, I think we are supposed to think that his illness affected him later.
Michael is cold and calculating. He wants to protect "the family" which is nothing but a corp but in the process, ruins the actual family.
ETA: FFC said part II was partially an analogy to Nixon, letting paranoia ruin him and ending up alone.
This post was edited on 3/5/12 at 10:52 am
Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:16 am to lacajun069
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He would never challange Michael authority out of respect for Vitto.
This.
That whole story line would have made 3 even worse. Duvall needed to be in it but not with that plot twist.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 9:35 am to heehaw
It could not have been worse.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 10:13 am to udtiger
I watched it the other night. It was too stylized. The Opera scene was ridiculous. It achieved style over substance.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 11:42 am to Choupique19
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What was Michael's downfall? Lack of compassion?
I don't think Michael ever got over the death of his first wife. It was that moment that made him hard.
Posted on 3/5/12 at 12:05 pm to udtiger
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It could not have been worse.
A Musical?????
Posted on 3/6/12 at 6:09 am to Choupique19
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Why was Vito so inept at grooming one of his children to be his successor? Sonny the hothead, Freddo the weakling. What was Michael's downfall? Lack of compassion?
Vito wasn't necessarily trying to groom one of his kids to be a "successor" as Don. He essentially said that MIchael was the only one with the brains to do it, but he wanted Michael to go legit and become a Congressman or Senator.
I think this is how the problems with Tessio, and later Clemenza's old gang developed: the older guys figured they would take over the crime operations when Vito passed. They would look out for Michael; and Michael would look out for them from his position in the world of "legitimate" business & politics. They weren't expecting MIchael to take such an interest in their shadowy world.
When Tom tells Michael that he had talked to his father about him and that Pops never wanted that life for Michael, it suggests that there was another plan, but Michael screwed it up by trying to prove that he could be like his father.
Posted on 3/6/12 at 9:25 am to PowerTool
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Vito wasn't necessarily trying to groom one of his kids to be a "successor" as Don. He essentially said that MIchael was the only one with the brains to do it, but he wanted Michael to go legit and become a Congressman or Senator.
I think this is how the problems with Tessio, and later Clemenza's old gang developed: the older guys figured they would take over the crime operations when Vito passed. They would look out for Michael; and Michael would look out for them from his position in the world of "legitimate" business & politics. They weren't expecting MIchael to take such an interest in their shadowy world.
Good stuff.
Posted on 3/6/12 at 9:38 am to prplhze2000
quote:It doesn't bother you as much as you'd think it might.
Then there is the whole cousin thing. GROSS
Posted on 3/6/12 at 9:46 am to Dodgson
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Michael and Tom fighting for control of the family would have been a lot better than the whole Vatican banking scandal thing.
I don't know...I think it would have been interesting, but the Vatican thing was cool in this way--if you know anything about Papal history at the time, there really was a new Pope who died about 30 days later. This story line was a great fictional (?)
explanation of real events in history, and brought Michael and the family's dealings up to about the highest level they could have. quote:
I watched it the other night. It was too stylized. The Opera scene was ridiculous. It achieved style over substance.
I see what you mean about the opera, as it was a longer version of the ending of the first two movies...settling all family business over a removed dramatic scene featuring music. Yes, stylized, but to me that's the beauty of it, and I've seen it dozens of times. But as I said in another thread, the opera mirrored the history of Sicilian life and vendettas, which Michael was showing to Kay in the movie, and brought us back, in a sense, to the family's beginnings.
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Was Micheal Corleone a bad guy who lost his family? Or a hero, and one to be admired?
Obviously not a hero, although I think we all root for him against his enemies. What redeems this movie (and makes others happy!) is the death of Mary (Sofia Coppola) at the end. It totally breaks Michael's spirit, and the slow motion scene and fading in of the sound of his screams while the rest of the family watches is beautifully orchestrated, IMO. It is the moment where all of his dreams for all his life (and three movies) comes crashing down--he has not fully legitimized the family business, and it's cost him his family--his daughter is dead because of HIM...
...leading to his ultimate sentence in the last scene--living to an extremely old age with all of his sadness and broken spirit, and dying alone in Sicily, slumping off of his chair with only a dog to watch. Remember, Vito died in his family home, playing with his grandson. Michael's chance to live out the rest of his life with his family was gone.
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