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re: How does Darth Vader know Luke is his son?

Posted on 2/13/19 at 10:37 am to
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 10:37 am to
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Emperor tells Vader that the son of Skywalker cannot be allowed to become a Jedi. Vader then says if he can be turned, he could become a powerful ally. The audience doesn't know it until the end of the movie, but Vader knew then.


Wasn't that added with the Special Editions?
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:11 am to
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:38 pm to
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Wasn't that added with the Special Editions?


It was but even the original version said something to the effect of "son of Skywalker"

However, the people using that as evidence are still missing the boat a little. Vader clearly knew before his little Skype conference with the Emperor.

The Emperor phoning in with his two cents was his way of letting Vader know that he's not stupid and he knows the real reason Vader decided to unilaterally divert a good chunk of the fleet into an asteroid field on account of one tiny ship.
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:16 pm to
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The suit was designed to torture him for his failure


Where did you gleen this nugget of information? Was this covered in one of the movies?

And what's the deal with Anakin hating sand? Was this a major plot point?
Posted by Loaner1231
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:24 pm to
It’s covered quite extensively in canon material. Sans the pain, the respiration/internal noise of the suit makes it nearly impossible for Vader to sleep. It’s why he spends so much time in the meditation chamber.

The sand is part of the prequel trilogy.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 1:25 pm
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:24 pm to
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If you're not even sure which movie this is in I have to assume you've never watched the movies more than once.


You're correct. I've watched the first six for the first time over the past two weeks. I also watched the commentaries on each movie, so I've seen the scenes twice but only heard most of the dialogue once. Ive also watched The Force Awakens and Last Jedi once. No commentaries on those two.

I'm not trying to pretend to be a super fan. I'm just confused by some of the plot and knew there would be people on here who are well versed on all things Star Wars related.
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:25 pm to
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The suit was designed to torture him for his failure so this is a possibility. 


Which seems like overkill. His junk already got burned off, so he had to live out his days not being able to make it with a woman.

Throw the suit on there, and damn.
Posted by Loaner1231
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:27 pm to
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Which seems like overkill. His junk already got burned off, so he had to live out his days not being able to make it with a woman.


The Emperor is one evil dude. At the end of Phantom Menace Yoda and Mace speak of the rule of two in regards to the Sith. Part of that is the Sith Lord subjecting the apprentice to grueling, often torturous, near impossible task; the purpose of which is to get the apprentice to the point where they kill their Lord. Palpatine explains this to Anakin at the opera in Revenge with the story of Darth Plageuis the Wise. Seeing Anakin as the chosen one, with the highest potential power in the Force ever, Sidious/Palpatine viewed him as his successor. When Anakin lost his limbs at Obi-Wan’s hands on Mustufar, Vader’s force potential was decreased by a decent amount. He’d never be able to reach a point where he’d surpass Palpatine’s power. This enraged Palpatine, in canon material he is always searching for someone to replace Vader. This is also the reason he jumped at the chance to replace Vader with Luke instead of just attempting to have him killed.

He also couldn’t really eat. Most of the time nurtritional paste was fed through the suit to maintain what was left of his organic parts. On occasion he would eat a nutrient dense paste.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:31 pm to
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Emperor says that Luke is the son of Anakin and therefore must die.


When did that happen? I must have dozed off or something.

Edit: Okay, I watched Tigeralum2008's video. I guess I DID doze off!
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:46 pm to
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How'd he know? Palatine told him in TESB.


Okay, fine. How'd Palatine know?

Noboby knew Padme was carrying twins until the last minute. The babies are whisked away in secrecy. Padme is obviously still very pregnant in her casket, which I assume was a planned deception operation by Obi-Wan and Yoda. So how did Palatine/The Emperor know? It was already established that he was a Sith Lord by then, so he was precisely the person they were trying to hide the children from.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:50 pm to
The Emperor said to Vader in Empire Strikes Back: "I have no doubt that this boy (referring to the "young rebel" who destroyed the Death Star) is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."

Vader asked, "How is that possible?"

The Emperor said, "Search your feelings Lord Vader, you will know it to be true."
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 1:54 pm
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:55 pm to
Thanks for the video.
Posted by Loaner1231
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:56 pm to
The Force Awakens and the Prequel trilogy are a good source for the answer. In the PT Yoda is shown multiple times sensing Anakin’s pain when not in his presence, establishing the premise that one has a discernible identity in the Force. In TFA Rey has incredible, but dormant, Force potential. At the beginning of the film Kylo lands on Jakku and cannot sense her presence. Once she taps into the Force not only can he sense it, but Snoke (wherever he is in the galaxy), can sense it as well. These tie directly to Luke. Before he taps into the Force in any significant way, he doesn’t cause “a disturbance”. Once he does, he is discernible from other Force users. It doesn’t take much of a stretch to think there is a familia likeness between his Force presence and that of Anakin.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Rep520
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:58 pm to
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When Anakin lost his limbs at Obi-Wan’s hands on Mustufar, Vader’s force potential was decreased by a decent amount. He’d never be able to reach a point where he’d surpass Palpatine’s power.


Well, he should have thought of that before he gave up the high ground.
Posted by Loaner1231
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:03 pm to
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Well, he should have thought of that before he gave up the high ground.


Haha yea! Arrogance is a hallmark of Dark Side users. Didn’t help that Kenobi was the GOAT at defensive saber combat.
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:11 pm to
So why did Obi-Wan give himself up to Vader? I know he transformed to become part of The Force itself, but the still alive people could have used a extra sword at that time.
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:38 pm to
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I've watched the first six for the first time over the past two weeks. I also watched the commentaries on each movie, so I've seen the scenes twice but only heard most of the dialogue once. Ive also watched The Force Awakens and Last Jedi once. No commentaries on those two.


Good god, lemon.
Posted by Loaner1231
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:39 pm to
Easy answer is “you can’t win Darth (odd that he calls him Darth), if you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine”.

A more nuanced answer includes Obi-Wan knowing Luke would attempt to stay and help him had he not died and an attempt at preemptively harming Luke/Vader’s relationship once/if their true relationship was revealed.

Then there is the issue of Palpatine and Yoda dying before really preparing Luke to face him. He didn’t even train Luke how to use tutaminis, although he still pulled it off for a brief moment out of instinct.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:43 pm to
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Okay, fine. How'd Palatine know?



Is this a real question? I can think of 100 different ways the Emperor of the Galaxy could have found out the identity of the hot shot pilot that blew up the death star and was decorated by the rebels.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
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Posted on 2/13/19 at 2:44 pm to
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So why did Obi-Wan give himself up to Vader? I know he transformed to become part of The Force itself, but the still alive people could have used a extra sword at that time.


Is this a serious question? Lots of dumb in this thread.
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