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re: House of the Dragon: S2 Episode 6 "Smallfolk" (SPOILERS)
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:23 pm to skullhawk
Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:23 pm to skullhawk
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so it’s possible Addam’s grandmother could have Targaryen blood.
Yes. Exactly what I said
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This is a wild guess. It is not established in the books. If there is, the blood would have been even more diluted than Ser Steffon.
Here, I drew the bloodline for you where it is directly confirmed in the books. The opposite of what you said "it's not established in the books".
Also, Velaryons have the blood of old Valyria. The weren't dragon riders because they didn't have dragons. The entire reason Targs often married Velaryons was for their blood. Any idea that it doesn't make sense for Addam to be a dragon rider because he doesn't have Rhaenys blood is misguided.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 1:26 pm
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Posted on 7/23/24 at 1:47 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:shocking
Also I saw on X yesterday that Emma D'Arcy went off script with that makeout scene
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:11 pm to Corinthians420
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at the beginning of each episode it says inspired by Fire & Blood, not Game of Thrones
So whereas Dany may be immune to fire in Game of Thrones, she is NOT in Fire & Blood universe, no Targaryens are.
Is your argument that this is a different universe than GOT? With the exact same author, the exact same map, the exact same history and outcome, but the only difference is that Dany, who wouldn't be born until centuries after the Dance of Dragons, was fireproof in one but not the other?
DANY ISN'T EVEN ALIVE AT THE TIME TO BE IN FIRE AND BLOOD.
From the ASOIAF:
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She could smell the odor of burning flesh, no different than horseflesh roasting in a firepit. The pyre roared in the deepening dusk like some great beast, drowning out the fainter sound of Mirri Maz Duur’s screaming and sending up long tongues of flame to lick at the belly of the night. As the smoke grew thicker, the Dothraki backed away, coughing. Huge orange gouts of fire unfurled their banners in that hellish wind, the logs hissing and cracking, glowing cinders rising on the smoke to float away into the dark like so many newborn fireflies. The heat beat at the air with great red wings, driving the Dothraki back, driving off even Mormont, but Dany stood her ground. She was the blood of the dragon, and the fire was in her.
All the fire did was burn her hair off.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:20 pm to TigerDeacon
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Is your argument that this is a different universe than GOT?
It clearly is after D&DB ran out of material and started making shite up that completely contradicts the books.. They can't both be right when they when they directly contradict each other and HoTD writers are going off the books where they diverge from GOT. Not that complicated. Why would you side with the show and throw out the books when it comes to dany's fire resistance?
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:31 pm to Corinthians420
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It clearly is after D&DB ran out of material and started making shite up that completely contradicts the books.. They can't both be right when they when they directly contradict each other and HoTD writers are going off the books where they diverge from GOT. Not that complicated. Why would you side with the show and throw out the books when it comes to dany's fire resistance?
GRRM has said that book cannon and show cannon are slightly different and won't always agree. I choose to believe that Tragaryans are not fire proof but somewhere in the muatations that come along with incest along with the magic that we know to exist in this world that Danny and Danny alone is fireproof.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:34 pm to Corinthians420
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It clearly is after D&DB ran out of material and started making shite up that completely contradicts the books.
They hadn't run out of material at that time. The dragons were hatched in the first season.
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They can't both be right when they when they directly contradict each other and HoTD writers are going off the books where they diverge from GOT. Not that complicated.
Says the person that argues they are different universes.
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Why would you side with the show and throw out the books when it comes to dany's fire resistance?
I gave you a quote from the books.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 2:56 pm to TigerDeacon
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They hadn't run out of material at that time. The dragons were hatched in the first season.
That's not the part they disagree. The universes diverge where Dany does it again with the Dothraki. GRRM has already stated the dragon hatching was a one time magical event.
The Dothraki temple fire is just D&DB being dumb and changing the Canon from the dragon hatching being a magical event to Dany (targaryen blood) is immune to fire completely which makes no sense as we saw in House of the Dragon this season already.
Of course D&DB had no clue house of the dragon would be it's own show eventually and that their dumb decision would have further reaching implications if indeed targs were immune to fire.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:19 pm to TigerDeacon
Posted on 7/23/24 at 3:20 pm to blueboy
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:22 pm to Corinthians420
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Of course D&DB had no clue house of the dragon would be it's own show eventually and that their dumb decision would have further reaching implications if indeed targs were immune to fire.
Are there really any implications though? Even if show-Dany was immune to fire/heat, that doesn't mean that all Targaryens are. Her brother very clearly wasn't.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:34 pm to Indefatigable
I really just took Dany being immune to fire as part of her "magic" for lack of better word.
If she's supposed to the PTWP, then she's gotta be a bit more special, right?
The rest of the Targs not being immune to fire doesn't bother me.
If she's supposed to the PTWP, then she's gotta be a bit more special, right?
The rest of the Targs not being immune to fire doesn't bother me.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:38 pm to BBMcGee
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If she's supposed to the PTWP
Jon Snow would like a word.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:39 pm to Corinthians420
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Of course D&DB had no clue house of the dragon would be it's own show eventually and that their dumb decision would have further reaching implications if indeed targs were immune to fire.
D&D fricked up a lot of things but GoT showed with the "crowning" of Viserys that not all Targaryens are immune to fire. When Joffrey tells the story of what happens in the Dance of Dragons, we also find out then that not all Targaryens are immune to fire in that as well.
Now GRRM has agreed that between the books and the shows that Targaryens tend to be less sensitive to heat and fire (like when you see the dragonriders fly through a ball of flame in the sky without issue). But Dany being the Unburnt was a special circumstance.
This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:41 pm to BluegrassBelle
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When Joffrey tells the story of what happens in the Dance of Dragons, we also find out then that not all Targaryens are immune to fire in that as well.
While it will certainly be shown that they are not immune to fire over the next couple of seasons, Aegon being damn near burned to death should have told everyone that already.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:42 pm to BluegrassBelle
I guess I'm just more comfortable with a freak event like the dragons hatching and Dany not being burnt through a 1 time event than the idea that she's a literal superhero who can't be burned.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:45 pm to Corinthians420
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I guess I'm just more comfortable with a freak event like the dragons hatching and Dany not being burnt through a 1 time event than the idea that she's a literal superhero who can't be burned.
I mean, ok.
But that doesn't really have any implications for the show we're discussing. There's been multiple other instances of Targaryens being burned at this point (between GoT and HotD).
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:46 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:53 pm to BluegrassBelle
Daemon files right through Vhagar’s fireball when he and Laena are flying together.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:53 pm to Indefatigable
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While it will certainly be shown that they are not immune to fire over the next couple of seasons, Aegon being damn near burned to death should have told everyone that already.
Well and Laena and her baby going full on Dracarys as well.
Posted on 7/23/24 at 4:55 pm to Madking
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Daemon files right through Vhagar’s fireball when he and Laena are flying together.
And if you'll go back to my previous post I note that GRRM has said Targaryens are less sensitive to fire, but that doesn't make them completely immune from getting full on roasted.
Flying through a fireball =/= sitting there while getting the full blunt of a dragon's fire (see Laena, Aegon, and we know of others that will comes to pass from the text).
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