re: House of the Dragon S1E2--Official Thread; “The Rogue Prince”

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You keep calling her lesbian but there’s been nothing on the show to establish she’s lesbian (or Alicent, like you claimed before).

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Maybe the part where they were sitting next to each other holding hands and saying their fathers wouldn't understand that they prefer girls?

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That speculation turned out to be right. In an interview with Insider published Monday, actresses Milly Alcock (she/her) and Emily Carey (she/they), who portray the 14-year-old versions of Targaryen and Hightower, confirmed that their characters are a “little bit in love” with each other. The pair explained that they intentionally brought a romantic dynamic to their performances as queer subtext, and made sure that "it was purposeful."

“It was something I was immediately conscious of when I read the script as a queer woman myself,” Carey added.

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Well, without reading that interview I’d have still thought it to be fairly ambiguous.

Either way, it still doesn’t really set up your Mary Sue accusation given the context.

It wasn’t, but the book is written in a way that there isn’t a lot of dialogue and the like for parts of the history. It’s written more like a history book telling of the story. So I don’t have an issue with that “deviation” if you can even really call it that.

Again, you’re failing to show where this tidbit supports your Mary Sue accusation.

I really liked last nights episode. Anybody still trying to say that the king is a POS is really missing the point of his character. Also...

Crabs are coming.

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Somehow for me this episode's memorable scene was the king talking to the twelve year old girl and her "not until I'm fourteen" comment.

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I forgot how much GRRM plays with ages a lot in the books. I think John Snow and Robb Stark are both 14 in the books. I mean...Alicent is 14 and he decides to marry her. I think the portrayal of the girls plays a huge part (young Alicent actress is 19, Laena actress is clearly a minor).

Not like there isn't precedent of marrying strategically and keeping a side-piece in the realm

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Despite being 14, she's wiser and bolder than the men, who are all idiot pussies or evil, or both. She's looking pretty flawless so far. None of that is organic.

The women in the book are horrible twats and this tragedy happens largely because of them. It looks like the show is going with an 'this all happened because dumb men wouldn't let a woman lead' angle. it's the same shite making its way through every other franchise.

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You are trying waaayyyy too hard to put this round peg into the square hole of your culture wars. Like you are just looking to be angry and miserable

Once again, this is not a new device from Martin to have the younger characters, who are not conditioned to the bullshite of decades of court norms and politics, to outwit those that are....at least up to a point

Robb was framed and perceived as cunning, wise beyond his years, and bolder than the men he came to rule over....until he wasn't.

Same with Dany.

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Thanks. That wasn't immediately clear to me watching last night. I was thinking to myself, theres no way Daemon came back to Kings Landing and nobody has said anything.

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It was quick but Daemon said "you didn't invite me to Driftmark just to talk about my brother" or something like that

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Actually, Robb was framed for exactly what killed him... a naive heir to rule who leaned heavily on those loyal to his house to the point of political downfall. If anything, Robb's demise was a direct example of the pitfalls of a lack of experience.

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Robb's demise was because he didn't marry Walder Frey's daughter.

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Actually, Robb was framed for exactly what killed him... a naive heir to rule who leaned heavily on those loyal to his house to the point of political downfall. If anything, Robb's demise was a direct example of the pitfalls of a lack of experience.

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Yes, eventually that comes across, obviously.

But early on Robb is also the one that out strategizes and captures the great Jamie Lannister, outmanuevers Tywin, binds most of the fractional northern houses together, makes key strategic alliances with the Frey's, and is winning all of his battles against the Lannisters. He has a hubris about him, but then again so does Rhaenyra. For pretty much all of Game of Thrones(the novel) Robb is like the leveled up version of Ned.

His downfall begins in the next books when he starts making Viserys-like mistakes of arrogantly breaking oaths and agreements, pushing aside wise political moves in favor of personal wants, and his inexperience and misplaced loyalties rear ugly.

Yeah for all the work they did literally creating languages for the show, you would think they would invest a little bit of that in some foreign dialects that can sound immediately foreign, but also come across, well, well

Shae had the same problem in GoT.