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re: House of the Dragon : Season 2 - Episode 1 (Spoilers Welcome)
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But if they didn’t want him to be charismatic they shouldn’t have hired Matt Smith. This is like a medieval Prince Phillip for him. He oozes charisma despite not being the greatest guy.
This. Daemon is out for himself. He's ruthless and selfish. But he also cuts through some of the grandstanding and political bullshite and ultimately, despite his ambition and methods, he still very much loved his brother. Him ascending the steps just to help his brother sit on it and crown him was one of the best moments of last season.
It is kind of strange for someone who runs the show to want you to hate Daemon or be shocked people like him. He's not Joffrey or Ramsay. You should always write the characters with enough nuance to where you hate them one minute and love them the next. Daemon and all of the characters had that in Season 1, especially Rhae and Alicent and Viserys. Even Aemond had moments where I was rooting for him.
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:42 pm to Draco Malfoy
This second season is going to be so cheesy it makes your blood boil.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:55 pm to Sus-Scrofa
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This second season is going to be so cheesy it makes your blood boil.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:56 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Even Aemond had moments where I was rooting for him.
I’d have a harder time rooting against the Greens if Aemond was on the throne instead of Aegon.
He also would’ve been much kinder to Helanea.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:00 pm to BluegrassBelle
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He also would’ve been much kinder to Helanea.
I wonder if the Greens ever figure out that her random babbling has meaning to it?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:05 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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This goes back to why break through the floor at all then? If you have no intention of killing anyone (she did kill people) then why not go out the regular door and fly away?
To simply shove it in their face that you can't hold me hostage. A small "I win" moment? Also a reminder to not mess with her like that.
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She chose team Black when she backed Luke's claim to being their heir of driftmark and agreed to marry her granddaughters to Rhaenyra's sons. Its why they imprisoned her.
A lot changed from that moment. The throne wasn't in the process of being taken yet. If she had fully chosen a side already, they wouldn't have just imprisoned her. They would have killed her.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:27 pm to Mickey Goldmill
I think we are in the same area of thinking, but have different beliefs in what seems logical. I just don't view it as an "I Win" moment unless you think Rhaenys is ignorant to the hell that is to come. If she didn't think there would be a huge war, I could see that as a logical explanation. I just think Rhaenys is to smart to not realize that war is inevitable. Which is why I find it illogical to bust though the floor, killing innocent people, and not kill the Greens.
I think the Greens were hopeful that they could entrench Aegon quickly enough that people like Rhaenys would just accept it without bloodshed. I think they believed they would kill Rhaenyra and everyone would fall in line. I don't think Alicent wanted to much bloodshed and it led to mistakes like NOT killing Rhaenys immediately.
Like I said before, in the grand scheme of things, this affects the overall story very little. I think the true answer to why she busted through the floor but didn't kill the Greens is because it made for a great action shot.
I do somewhat believe that Rhaenys might flinch at delivering the first blow only because she didn't really fight for the crown when it was taken from her the first time. Maybe she's just not a fighter. But this goes back to why make a show of things if shes not a fighter? Just fly away.
I could go in circles about this all day
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A lot changed from that moment. The throne wasn't in the process of being taken yet. If she had fully chosen a side already, they wouldn't have just imprisoned her. They would have killed her.
I think the Greens were hopeful that they could entrench Aegon quickly enough that people like Rhaenys would just accept it without bloodshed. I think they believed they would kill Rhaenyra and everyone would fall in line. I don't think Alicent wanted to much bloodshed and it led to mistakes like NOT killing Rhaenys immediately.
Like I said before, in the grand scheme of things, this affects the overall story very little. I think the true answer to why she busted through the floor but didn't kill the Greens is because it made for a great action shot.
I do somewhat believe that Rhaenys might flinch at delivering the first blow only because she didn't really fight for the crown when it was taken from her the first time. Maybe she's just not a fighter. But this goes back to why make a show of things if shes not a fighter? Just fly away.
I could go in circles about this all day
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:33 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:all she had to do (and all she did do, plus killing a bunch of innocent people LOL). And as we’ve all said, she does that and literally nothing is different
Just fly away.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:35 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I think a missed opportunity would be to have Sunfyre (Aegon's dragon) at the coronation. Not only would we get to see a beautiful dragon but it would be a show of power to the people who witness his coronation.
It would also give a plausible reason why Rhaenys doesn't kill them, because another dragon is in her way and she doesn't want to risk her own death or that of her dragon.
She breaks through the floor, mean mugs them, but before she can make a decision Sunfyre is about to attack so she has to instead fly away while Aegon tells Sunfyre not to give chase.
I don't know I think that would have looked cool and made more sense.
It would also give a plausible reason why Rhaenys doesn't kill them, because another dragon is in her way and she doesn't want to risk her own death or that of her dragon.
She breaks through the floor, mean mugs them, but before she can make a decision Sunfyre is about to attack so she has to instead fly away while Aegon tells Sunfyre not to give chase.
I don't know I think that would have looked cool and made more sense.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:40 pm to QC Reb
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I think a missed opportunity would be to have Sunfyre (Aegon's dragon) at the coronation. Not only would we get to see a beautiful dragon but it would be a show of power to the people who witness his coronation.
It would also give a plausible reason why Rhaenys doesn't kill them, because another dragon is in her way and she doesn't want to risk her own death or that of her dragon.
She breaks through the floor, mean mugs them, but before she can make a decision Sunfyre is about to attack so she has to instead fly away while Aegon tells Sunfyre not to give chase.
I don't know I think that would have looked cool and made more sense.
That would have made more sense than what happened. The only reason this scene bothers me so much is because of the PTSD from season 7 and 8 and GoT. One illogical scene doesn't ruin a show but making a habit of making characters act illogically for the sake of cool shots will ruin a show.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:03 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:”beyond the wall”
the PTSD from season 7 and 8 and GoT
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:16 pm to Indefatigable
All three of the strong lads run together to me.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:18 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I could go in circles about this all day
Same. I’m just enjoying the conversation lol.
But yeah I think we’re pretty much on the same page. She may admit later that she made a mistake.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:29 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I do somewhat believe that Rhaenys might flinch at delivering the first blow only because she didn't really fight for the crown when it was taken from her the first time. Maybe she's just not a fighter. But this goes back to why make a show of things if shes not a fighter? Just fly away.
I think she is a fighter, but is very smart as well. She couldn't really fight when she wasn't named Queen, because no one would be on the woman's side.
She says it to Rhaenerya that the realm wants a man to be the leader. She does tell Daemon it's not her war to start. She scared the frick out of the Greens and that's what she wanted to do. She still riding the 2nd biggest dragon alive, so she isn't to messed with.
It was a great shot of her bursting through the floor, haha. I believe that they just see that as collateral damage and don't really give a shite if their subjects take a hit.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:16 pm to putt23
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She scared the frick out of the Greens and that's what she wanted to do. She still riding the 2nd biggest dragon alive, so she isn't to messed with.
I think this may have also been part of her rationale. She doesn't necessarily want to start a war herself, but if she can intimidate them into backing down then maybe she spares the realm war?
It's also worth noting that Viserys came in off the reign of a King who had half a century of peace in the realm that continued until Viserys death. It had been awhile since they had seen a legitimate war in Kings Landing. No one wants to be the breaker of that peace.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I think this may have also been part of her rationale. She doesn't necessarily want to start a war herself, but if she can intimidate them into backing down then maybe she spares the realm war?
It's also worth noting that Viserys came in off the reign of a King who had half a century of peace in the realm that continued until Viserys death. It had been awhile since they had seen a legitimate war in Kings Landing. No one wants to be the breaker of that peace.
Yeah, I mean if she burned all the Greens the story is over anyway right? So that can't happen. She shows up on Dragonstone to tell/warn team Black, and she is gonna side with them, because she is sort of living through Rhaenyra. She has always seemed to lover her cousin and didn't really have ill will towards him.
I really like her character and the actress that portrays her.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:37 pm to putt23
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I really like her character and the actress that portrays her.
Rhaenys might be my favorite character so far in the show. The actress is killing it.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:40 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Haven’t read the books.
One twist I wonder about… do we see Laenor eventually return?
One twist I wonder about… do we see Laenor eventually return?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:43 pm to peaster68
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Haven’t read the books.
One twist I wonder about… do we see Laenor eventually return?
So, that's a good question as the show deviated from the books when it comes to Laenor. I don't want to say too much as it may wrap back around to some other things tied to Laenor in the show. But I don't think we honestly know what'll come of Laenor or if he'll just ride off into the sunset so to speak.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:46 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Rhaenys might be my favorite character so far in the show. The actress is killing it.
It was funny seeing Eve Best (actress) in The Crown as Kate Middleton's mom without that high braided hair that she has.
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