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History Channel The Food that built America
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:38 pm
Anyone else watching? It's a pretty interesting series. Tonight is Mcdonald's & BK.
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Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:41 pm to LSUlefty
Watching it right now. I'm fascinated fast food wars.
Ray Kroc was a total prick it seems, who ripped off someone else's IP, but the way he scaledc McDonald's is undeniably an incredible success.
Too bad Burger King is a shell of itself now.
Ray Kroc was a total prick it seems, who ripped off someone else's IP, but the way he scaledc McDonald's is undeniably an incredible success.
Too bad Burger King is a shell of itself now.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 8:49 pm to Jack Ruby
Did he really rip them off? The brothers sold out. I grew up liking BK more but now prefer McDonald's. Better service (except for the shake machines) and way more consistent.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:12 pm to LSUlefty
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Did he really rip them off?
Oh yeah. The royalties that he fricked them out of would have added up to billions by now.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:19 pm to LSUlefty
You would think they'd start off with some of the earliest restaurants which would be Chinese...and not Chinese-Chinese but American Chinese.
As owners who opened up restaurants say during the Gold Rush, changed the food for American palates as they didn't think Americans would eat Chicken feet, etc.
Ergo Chop Suey is born.
Our Chinese food is so American that when we exported the fortune cookie to China they advertised it as the "famous American Fortune Cookie."
I think the beginning of mass restaurants in America has origins in places like S.F. and the Gold Rush and a way for Chinese immigrants to make money (besides laundry services) was to feed the Miners.
Before the late 19th century, restaurants weren't much of a thing in America...you ate at home. I think the Chinese say thousands of Miners with no wives who couldn't feed themselves and thrived on giving them a new food.
As owners who opened up restaurants say during the Gold Rush, changed the food for American palates as they didn't think Americans would eat Chicken feet, etc.
Ergo Chop Suey is born.
Our Chinese food is so American that when we exported the fortune cookie to China they advertised it as the "famous American Fortune Cookie."
I think the beginning of mass restaurants in America has origins in places like S.F. and the Gold Rush and a way for Chinese immigrants to make money (besides laundry services) was to feed the Miners.
Before the late 19th century, restaurants weren't much of a thing in America...you ate at home. I think the Chinese say thousands of Miners with no wives who couldn't feed themselves and thrived on giving them a new food.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Are you not from LA?
I think the beginning of mass restaurants in America has origins in places like S.F. and the Gold Rush and a way for Chinese immigrants to make money (besides laundry services) was to feed the Miners.
Before the late 19th century, restaurants weren't much of a thing in America...you ate at home. I think the Chinese say thousands of Miners with no wives who couldn't feed themselves and thrived on giving them a new food.
quote:oh ok
mizzoubuckeyeiowa
NO is where the food revolution in America started. Being a French city, it was not dominated by the Puritan ethic of "Eat to live, don't live to eat" (one of Franklin's proverbs in Poor Richard's Almanac).
Chinese influence was relatively limited. Italians were much more influential. Even so, the Puritan ethic was still very dominant in the heartland until at least the 1980s. Now with all the cooking show and celeb chefs it may be an endangered species.
Posted on 2/21/21 at 9:58 pm to Obtuse1
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Did he really rip them off?
Oh yeah. The royalties that he fricked them out of would have added up to billions by now.
What happened there?
Posted on 2/21/21 at 10:08 pm to Obtuse1
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quote:
Did he really rip them off?
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Oh yeah. The royalties that he fricked them out of would have added up to billions by now.
He essentially did what Mark Zuckerberg did to Eduardo Severin in The Social Network. Kroc totally fricked the McDonald Brothers by cutting them out of all future royalties from the company and paying them off with what he knew would be a miniscule couple of million bucks for basically full ownership and control over McDonald's going forward.
He could have even cut them in on just 1% or 1/2% royalties (after all, they invented the entire restaurant) but he was such an arse that he wouldn't allow even a small portion of the future to go to the brothers. I think thats all they really even wanted, but Kroc wouldn't allow it.
After they realized how much they got screwed it was too late. They had already let the wolf into the henhouse.
The brothers even tried to start another burger joint, butz for whatever reason they just failed while Kroc literally took their last name and became a multi millionaire off of it.
This post was edited on 2/21/21 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 2/22/21 at 4:35 am to Jack Ruby
Kroc ran ops. In the course of doing so, he opened a second business. The second business bought the land that each new restaurant was built upon. The second business leased back the spot to McDonalds. At some point he actually owned every piece of land or almost every piece. He threatened to shut them down unless they sold him controlling interest. Once they did that, it was game over.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 4:52 am to Kafka
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Chinese influence was relatively limited.
I'm not talking nationwide influence just origins.
Mass Italian immigration didn't happen until the 20th Century.
The restaurant was still a novel idea in the 19th Century and Chinese Americans made a living out of it on both coasts.
Sure, it took the Midwest more than half a Century to get such food or accept it but the origins of the restaurants and Europeans falling in love with exotic foods or at least going to a place to eat outside their homes on a weekly basis can be somewhat reliably traced to Chinese restaurants and the Gold Rush.
There's another History doc on that...on the history of food in America. While limited to the Coasts, the Chinese Americans were productive originators that this is a way to make a living. They started just feeding Chinese transplants but changed American Cuisine by adapting to American palettes. This is the basis of the argument, the food that built America... And they might've missed that while focusing on hamburgers.
Not saying they were the originators but they were there at the beginning and helped spread the idea of eating out in America and Chinese food in America is a very American invention.
This post was edited on 2/22/21 at 5:01 am
Posted on 2/22/21 at 5:36 am to LSUlefty
This was a fantastic series. Some of these people were monsters. The guy that acquired the Coke formula and rights by literally swooping in at the funeral of the creator and taking advantage of the widow and idiot son was ruthless.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 7:48 am to CU_Tigers4life
It's very interesting.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 8:14 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
My brother lives in Taiwan. The first thing he wants when he comes to the states is Chinese food because he says you can't get it in Asia. Not OUR Chinese food.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 8:16 am to Kafka
Yeah new orleans has a restaurant still open that was 50 when Chinese food started off in the US.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 8:29 am to LSUlefty
The movie Founder (I think that’s the name) is about Rat Kroc screwing the McDonald brothers.
Also, to me the burgers at BK are way better that McDs, but BK has the absolute worst service than anywhere in the fast food world. I see BKs shutting down all over the place, but never a McDs.
Also, to me the burgers at BK are way better that McDs, but BK has the absolute worst service than anywhere in the fast food world. I see BKs shutting down all over the place, but never a McDs.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 8:29 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Our Chinese food is so American that when we exported the fortune cookie to China they advertised it as the "famous American Fortune Cookie."
I read this last month and thought it was appropriate. This is from the menu of a Chinese restaurant in Canada and the owner put the menu in his own words.
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Imperial rolls
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Owner's words: I spent most of time eating Chinese food and I did not know these vegetable rolls are so delicious until I opened this restaurant. Also you don't want to miss our special dipping sauce, do you? Each order has two small rolls and as the owner, I think they are small too but they are so good. Delicacy could be the word here.
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General Tao chicken
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More than once, More than twice, our customers told me AuntDai has the best General Tao Chicken in Montreal. Hands half way down or 3 quarters way down maybe, I am no expert on North American Chinese food but I like our General Tao a lot, a lot more than what I would have thought. We use high quality chicken breast and our own special sauce. I am really proud we have this great dish even though deep down I hope all the items on our menu are authentic Chinese.
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Wontons with peanut butter sauce
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Owner's words: Most loved by our customers, perfect peanut sauce on five home made wontons. Myself is addictive to it even it's totally North American. By the way, as born in China, most times I prefer real authentic Chinese food over the North American version. Warning: This one is really sweet.
Here is a link to his menu.
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I just find it funny that so many Americans have no clue what real authentic food is because restaurants have to Americanize it for their customers. I am probably unaware as well with countries I am not familiar with.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 8:34 am to LSUlefty
quote:I still prefer BK's burgers to McD's but pretty much every BK around NOLA has employees that are so incompetent, they make McD's workers look like Chick-fil-A by comparison.
I grew up liking BK more but now prefer McDonald's. Better service (except for the shake machines) and way more consistent.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 8:46 am to Tiger Prawn
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I still prefer BK's burgers to McD's but pretty much every BK around NOLA has employees that are so incompetent, they make McD's workers look like Chick-fil-A by comparison.
Good observation. When will these fast food places learn that you can't hire the worst of humanity and thrive?
BKs burgers have always been better but McDonalds fries are the better of the two by a lot.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 8:58 am to Shorter Yards
quote:BK chicken fries were tGOAT
McDonalds fries are the better of the two by a lot.
Posted on 2/22/21 at 9:08 am to Tiger Prawn
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were
Key word
Back when they were good, you had to eat them quick. Use to call them 5 minute fries. After 5 minutes they were garbage.
This post was edited on 2/22/21 at 9:09 am
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