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re: Hillary Clinton Alternate History Series ‘Rodham’ in Development at Hulu
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:33 pm to Muthsera
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:33 pm to Muthsera
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She has no lasting accomplishments and no lasting contribution to political discourse.
That could be said for the majority of legislators throughout history.
But I’m not sure I agree that she hadn’t added any lasting contribution to political discourse.
As First Lady she began the push for a more socialized health care system that paved the way for Obamacare and perhaps ultimately a more Sanders like universal healthcare system, for better or worse.
You can agree or disagree with that approach but you can’t argue that it wasn’t a significant addition to the discourse.
Now granted, that was dependent on being married to the President, which appears to not be the case in the world that this series is presenting, but we’re talking about whether or not she is worthy of being portrayed on screen.
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Name one thing Hillary is famous for besides
2. Running for President twice and being humiliated by underdogs
3. Overseeing the most disastrous period of foreign policy in modern history as Sec of State
Well I’d argue those two things alone make her a compelling enough figure to see her portrayed on screen, especially considering that she is easily the most serious female candidate for the highest office in the land
As for her being the “embodiment of corruption and graft”, wouldn’t that alone be compelling enough to show her story on screen?
All I said was she was a major political figure in this time in our history. Pretty much everything you posted, and the heated manner in which you presented it, confirms that she is indeed relevant and has a story worthy of being shown.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 8:38 pm
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Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:51 pm to Corso
quote:West Wing is essentially an alternative history where the Bill Clinton/Kennedy stand-in is not a scumbag
So these people are making a movie about a fake world where Hillary is not one of the most crooked, unlikable, uninteresting, cold hearted MFers in the history of American politics who fell down more than a newborn calf and had to be heaved into a fully equipped mobile medical van on the anniversary of 9/11 with one of her shoes left on the sidewalk. Brilliant
Posted on 7/22/20 at 8:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
Who was calling for this?
I mean seriously, who likes Hillary Clinton? Not even the people who voted for her like Hillary Clinton.
I mean seriously, who likes Hillary Clinton? Not even the people who voted for her like Hillary Clinton.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 9:39 pm to BugAC
Hillary Clinton was not disbarred at all, for any reason. That is a false statement.
This post was edited on 7/22/20 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Rodham,” which takes place in a world in which Hillary Rodham never married Bill Clinton.
Posted on 7/22/20 at 10:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Why?
I mean, interesting what if scenarios include things like if JFK survived, if Lincoln survived, if Reagan had died, if Nixon had not been impeached.
Why?
I mean, interesting what if scenarios include things like if JFK survived, if Lincoln survived, if Reagan had died, if Nixon had not been impeached.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:38 am to Upperdecker
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He’s pretty stupid
no, just no. he may be the smartest guy to ever be President and he has book and social intelligence off the charts
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and all he’s concerned with is chasing tail
easily his biggest flaw and one probably big enough to make everything else irrelevant with his bad decision making related to this
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She has the political skill
he's the politician. hell he even told her last campaign they were fricking up by not focusing on the middle-class white midwestern vote
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She never gets as close to the presidency without Bill though, probably never even gets elected to anything big
he probably doesn't either. think of it like a tom cruise movie. the hot shot young guy with all the potential in the world but he's going to throw it away until a woman shows up as his foil. HRC was that woman and she somewhat corralled him into reaching a high % of his potential
her problem was she mistook this for her having potential and her success riding his coattails and the popularity she gained from his accomplishments fricked her head up b/c she is a royal, narcissistic bitch. that kind of domineering personality was what it took to corral Bill, though. it's just shite on its own
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 6:41 am
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:39 am to Upperdecker
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I think Bill got to power bc of her. He’s pretty stupid and all he’s concerned with is chasing tail. She has the political skill, she just is a horrible person and everyone knows it. She never gets as close to the presidency without Bill though, probably never even gets elected to anything big
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Hillary Clinton Alternate History
Speaking of alternate history
Posted on 7/23/20 at 6:43 am to skrayper
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I mean, interesting what if scenarios include things like if JFK survived, if Lincoln survived, if Reagan had died, if Nixon had not been impeached.
yeah but the problem is those are somebodies
HRC without Bill is a nobody. a better alternate history would be changing things after Bill got her into the public light
like a divorce during the impeachment or something
Posted on 7/23/20 at 7:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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better alternate history would be changing things after Bill got her into the public light
like a divorce during the impeachment or something
Yeah I agree with this.
Even showing them split over affairs during his time as Arkansas governor would make more sense imo.
But it seems as though Clinton is going to play a role. They will still meet and probably even date, but their split will be likely shown as a pivotal decision that defines them and their careers going forward, and how they continue to be intertwined as they rise on their own and likely even become rivals.
Honestly not uninteresting imo.
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yeah but the problem is those are somebodies
HRC without Bill is a nobody
Again, whether anyone loves or hates her, comments like this just aren’t true and is clearly colored by emotion.
Hillary was an extremely successful and politically motivated, and talented, student long before she ever even met Clinton.
Hell, they met while both attending fricking Yale Law School, so the idea that she would be some nobody that no one has ever heard of if she didn’t marry Clinton is just nonsense.
She had already worked for many major political campaigns before and during college, including Goldwater and Rockefeller, and had already done her thesis on Saul Alinsky while at Wellesley, where she served as Student Body President, and was the first student ever allowed to speak at graduation.
I think it’s fair to say that both probably needed the other to reach the heights that they did, but saying one would be a nobody without the other is probably way overstating it.
It is an interesting question though, which I guess is why that very idea is being explored in this series that everyone seems to think is such a stupid idea
It could be argued that Hillary marrying Clinton and leaving DC to follow him to Arkansas actually slowed her eventual rise. She took on a First Lady role instead of working her way up in DC at a time when women were being looked at as major potential candidates for the first time.
It’s very possible she could have been in Congress during the time she was in Arkansas. Again, maybe she doesn’t reach the heights of major Presidential candidate, but it isn’t unfair or uninteresting to want to explore those possibilities imo.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 7:45 am
Posted on 7/23/20 at 7:52 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Again, whether anyone loves or hates her, comments like this just aren’t true and is clearly colored by emotion.
Hillary was an extremely successful and politically motivated, and talented, student long before she ever even met Clinton.
yeah sure i'm sure she would have been a major campaign manager or lobbyist or fixer but she would have never become a somebody
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Hell, they met while both attending fricking Yale Law School, so the idea that she would be some nobody that no one has ever heard of if she didn’t marry Clinton is just nonsense.
name all the famous people you know from YLS...and...GO
i'm not saying she wouldn't be successful or even somewhat powerful, but she's never be known like she was in the 90s and onward without Bill.
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It could be argued that Hillary marrying Clinton and leaving DC to follow him to Arkansas actually slowed her eventual rise. She took on a First Lady role instead of working her way up in DC at a time when women were being looked at as major potential candidates for the first time.
nobody truly likes HRC and she only got put up with b/c she was given a major face via Bill. she is a nasty, insufferable, and often evil person. this belief that HRC would become a major politician without Bill (or potentially a different partner who had real charm, charisma, and political potential) is silly
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It’s very possible she could have been in Congress during the time she was in Arkansas.
how?
Posted on 7/23/20 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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and often evil person
Please expound on how Hillary Clinton has been evil.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 8:52 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 7/23/20 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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nobody truly likes HRC and she only got put up with b/c she was given a major face via Bill. she is a nasty, insufferable, and often evil person
Clearly you just truly dislike her and aren’t capable of an impartial take on her capabilities or her relevance in modern history.
Again, I’m not advocating for her as a candidate in any future, or even past, election. Just pointing out that she is a significant figure in our history and that she was obviously an intelligent, ambitious, and capable person as evidenced by things she did and achieved before she ever met Clinton.
Why people can’t step out of their political shoes to acknowledge simple facts like that just always strikes me as so strange. It’s no different than the claims that Trump is just some idiot Nazi by those that oppose his politics.
Marginalizing obviously otherwise intelligent people with many attributes that lead to their being successful just because they happen to sit across the aisle just makes it hard to take one seriously. And I’ve always seen you as an obviously smart guy so seeing intelligent people do that again just always confuses me.
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Hell, they met while both attending fricking Yale Law School, so the idea that she would be some nobody that no one has ever heard of if she didn’t marry Clinton is just nonsense.
name all the famous people you know from YLS...and...GO
Damn Slow again that’s just a silly take from a smart guy.
Obviously I wasn’t saying she’d be “famous” just because she went to Yale. I’m pointing out she is clearly intelligent and able to stand out and accomplish significant things on her own as evidenced by being able to work her way into one of the more prestigious institutions of higher learning on the planet.
But if you really want me to list a few, how about four current Supreme Court Justices and several others in the past, plus Gerald Ford, obviously Bill Clinton, and my personal favorite, Ben Stein
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It’s very possible she could have been in Congress during the time she was in Arkansas.
how?
Well she could have easily taken a page from Bill’s notebook and returned home after working in DC for a few more years. You do know she’s from Chicago right?
Her educational and political background and connections would have made her a perfect asset for the Chicago machine that Obama eventually became.
Or she could have just stayed in DC and set up shop in the Maryland burbs and been elected through that Democratic machine and risen from there.
She was clearly on a political track, and the idea that she would have made her own way into elected office is far from silly.
In fact, all the things you find so revolting about her could have been molded by being stuck in a loveless marriage with a man that cheated on her constantly and being forced to play the happy and dedicated wife to further his political career while you watch your own ambitions fade into the past.
Who knows what she was like before all of that and how she would have evolved without that baggage??
That’s what the show is going to try to explore and I personally find it pretty interesting.
I haven’t read whatever this is based on, but I see from quotes in this thread that her and Bill will actually become rivals. That’s another interesting angle. Like not only how she is different but how Bill changes as well. Maybe he isn’t as liberal after returning to a more conservative Arkansas without her and they end up running against each other as R and D. That’s a pretty cool idea imo.
I also think it’s interesting that Chelsea will be essentially written out of existence. I think that could actually be a compelling angle, although I doubt they’ll deal with meta issues like that. Like if Rodham chooses a different path other than being a wife and mother does she gain something personally while losing another part of herself.
Choice, and the consequences of choices.
That would be really interesting imo, but it will all depend on how truly challenging of a show they want to make. Or will this just be a fluffy piece of fan fiction.
This post was edited on 7/23/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:03 am to RLDSC FAN
98% of the TD crowd is not in the target audience, yet it's all they can talk about on the TV board.
With all the buzz, it's a guaranteed hit! I will never watch it, but many HRC fans will, and the hate watch audience may be even bigger.
With all the buzz, it's a guaranteed hit! I will never watch it, but many HRC fans will, and the hate watch audience may be even bigger.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:21 am to LeClerc
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Please expound on how Hillary Clinton has been evil.
Running sexual abuse victims through the mud and coordinating smear campaigns against them
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:34 am to RLDSC FAN
OK, it isn't a partisan opinion to say that Hillary Rodham Clinton is one of the most vile, self-centered people to ever live.
With MILLIONS of really decent female role-models to choose from, WHY the fascination with this truly horrible human being?
With MILLIONS of really decent female role-models to choose from, WHY the fascination with this truly horrible human being?
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:35 am to Freauxzen
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I don't want to turn this political or anything because HRC generally sucks as a person. But even if I were to ignore that, she has never struck me as an intellectual, or someone who is more than above average is intelligence. She's generally an opportunist more than anything else. It's not like her intelligence is why people liked her.
Your description of her is 100% dead on.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:37 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Marginalizing obviously otherwise intelligent people with many attributes
But when your DEFINING attributes are your ruthlessness, greed, dishonesty and insatiable thirst for power, you deserve to be marginalized.
It's NOT a partisan opinion to say she is a HORRIBLE human being.
Posted on 7/23/20 at 9:55 am to RLDSC FAN
That sounds about as appealing as a garlic milkshake.
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