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re: GoT S7 E5 "Eastwatch" MAESTERS THREAD
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:12 pm to iluvdatiger
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:12 pm to iluvdatiger
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This will be the face Arya uses to kill him, my guess.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:14 pm to udtiger
There's a difference between Qyburn taking weeks to revive someone and a zombie king raises thousands of dead people at once from the ground
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:14 pm to udtiger
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As if tMountain isn't proof that that's possible...
Speaking of this, since Sandor is on this mission with Jon, and we assume they succeed....
I would also assume that Cersi would bring the Mountain to any meeting with Dany......
Is it time for the Cleganebowl train to leave the station?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:15 pm to Green Chili Tiger
That's badass
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:15 pm to blueboy
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Will they play along is the question.
Sansa has her LF shields up. She has been very quick to question anything he does or says to her or anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if when Arya confronts her with the note she immediately realizes they're being played. If LF had wanted to protect Sansa from the note then he'd have destroyed it, not hidden it. If he hid it, that means he intended to use it, but what use would that note be other than to turn the sisters against each other?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:16 pm to Gugich22
I'm sure it's been hashed to death but the writing is so lazy at this point or D&D are true legal retards. The justification for the trip north of the wall to get a wright to send to Cersei aggressively pissed me off. 1)Cersei has no more swords left 2) if she did, she's not shipping them to the Starks 3) way to shite on the whole alliance forging between Jon and Dany you dragged out for 3 episodes.
Also Jaime is a bitch and Ghost is vacationing in the Carribean for most of the show evidently.
Felt like I was watching Bird Up
Also Jaime is a bitch and Ghost is vacationing in the Carribean for most of the show evidently.
Felt like I was watching Bird Up
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:17 pm to TigerinATL
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If LF had wanted to protect Sansa from the note then he'd have destroyed it, not hidden it. If he hid it, that means he intended to use it, but what use would that note be other than to turn the sisters against each other?
I think him watching Arya remove it from his room, proves that he meant for her to find it to turn them against each other.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:18 pm to blueboy
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He is definitely playing Arya and Sansa against each other. Will they play along is the question.
It seems like that letter from Sansa is pretty easily explained to Arya. All she has to say is it was written under duress. I don't get why that is going to drive a big wedge between Sansa and Arya, but maybe that's the only play LF has
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:19 pm to ell_13
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Even my wife (big time Hodor) thinks it's a stupid plot device that goes against anything rational based on what we know about Cercei and even what the characters should know about Cercei
Ya i feel like Cercei would be more like "fine let the WW win it all i'm going out as queen". At a minimum she may be playing along in the hopes of finding a way to betray them all and kill the dragons / dragontits so she can maintain power.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:21 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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At a minimum she may be playing along in the hopes of finding a way to betray them all and kill the dragons / dragontits so she can maintain power.
She has to know every second that Varys is back in Westeros, he's getting smarter, right? I mean, Qyburn is a great quack/mad faux maester, but he's no Varys.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:23 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Ya i feel like Cercei would be more like "fine let the WW win it all i'm going out as queen". At a minimum she may be playing along in the hopes of finding a way to betray them all and kill the dragons / dragontits so she can maintain power.
She's going to agree to the armistice and provide token support (arguing that she needs to protect KL and the lands of the Reach from Dorne (saying that in light of the absence of any head of that house, she has to keep a force in place in case they come after her.
Then, once the forces are committed in the North, she will attack their flank.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:24 pm to Big_Slim
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The justification for the trip north of the wall to get a wright to send to Cersei aggressively pissed me off. 1)Cersei has no more swords left 2) if she did, she's not shipping them to the Starks 3) way to shite on the whole alliance forging between Jon and Dany you dragged out for 3 episodes.
1) The fact that Euron is the only significant piece she has left on the board does make this look silly. Take 10,000 Dothraki and a few thousand unsullied to pin them into KL as was suggested a few posts above. You still have a significant force to take on the WW and if any ship travel is needed just make sure they have a dragon escort to account for Euron.
2) They didn't ask her for help, they asked her for an armistice.
3) I'm pretty sure Jon telling her no yet again only made their growing bond stronger. I like that they have taken it slow with them. So many times in TV and movies the love stories are rushed and you're just supposed to believe the leads fall for each other in an instant. You've actually seen them build a relationship and each do and see things to make them change their initial opinion of the other.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:24 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I don't think Cercei will ever make it to that meeting.
Jon is successful and him and Dany bring the Wight to KL and set up the meeting
Just before they get into the Throne room, Cercei tells Jamie of her plan to eliminate all of her enemies by burning down the throne room where Dany can die in ash with all of her ancestors dragon skulls. Jamie argues with her about her safety and their child and to take control of the situation she tells Jamie (or he figures it out himself somehow) that her child is a lie. He decides this is the last straw and chokes the life out of her before running to tell the others of the trap.
So from there he dies in the throne room after he fulfills his page as a Queen slayer and tells the real story of his betrayal of Aerys and Cercei and gives the book to Dany, as the wildfire set off by Qyburn burns down the city (fulfilling the dream in the house of the undying) and Jamie essentially saves the world by saving Jon and Dany. Maybe he has a chance to escape but decides that he's lived his life as the Kingslayer and he won't live another as a Queenslayer especially with his only driving force in the world (Cercei) gone from the world
Or in a more morbid version he would write his pages down in the book and then burn with them as no one ever finds out about the sacrifice he made and how he saved everyone and goes down in history as the Kings layer.
/OMLandshark fanfic
Jon is successful and him and Dany bring the Wight to KL and set up the meeting
Just before they get into the Throne room, Cercei tells Jamie of her plan to eliminate all of her enemies by burning down the throne room where Dany can die in ash with all of her ancestors dragon skulls. Jamie argues with her about her safety and their child and to take control of the situation she tells Jamie (or he figures it out himself somehow) that her child is a lie. He decides this is the last straw and chokes the life out of her before running to tell the others of the trap.
So from there he dies in the throne room after he fulfills his page as a Queen slayer and tells the real story of his betrayal of Aerys and Cercei and gives the book to Dany, as the wildfire set off by Qyburn burns down the city (fulfilling the dream in the house of the undying) and Jamie essentially saves the world by saving Jon and Dany. Maybe he has a chance to escape but decides that he's lived his life as the Kingslayer and he won't live another as a Queenslayer especially with his only driving force in the world (Cercei) gone from the world
Or in a more morbid version he would write his pages down in the book and then burn with them as no one ever finds out about the sacrifice he made and how he saved everyone and goes down in history as the Kings layer.
/OMLandshark fanfic
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:27 pm to udtiger
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Ya i feel like Cercei would be more like "fine let the WW win it all i'm going out as queen". At a minimum she may be playing along in the hopes of finding a way to betray them all and kill the dragons / dragontits so she can maintain power.
She's going to agree to the armistice and provide token support (arguing that she needs to protect KL and the lands of the Reach from Dorne (saying that in light of the absence of any head of that house, she has to keep a force in place in case they come after her.
Then, once the forces are committed in the North, she will attack their flank.
And if everyone else falls for that it will be horrible writing. She just blew up the whole septum and is from the family responsible for red wedding - giving her an ounce of trust at this point is just idiotic.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:34 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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And if everyone else falls for that it will be horrible writing. She just blew up the whole septum and is from the family responsible for red wedding - giving her an ounce of trust at this point is just idiotic.
Right. Tyrion of all people knows that she cannot be trusted under any circumstances, so why even go through to time and energy to convince her that the WW are real?
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:37 pm to Crow Pie
The stone men also congregate around Valyria (home of the dragons) FWIW.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:37 pm to UpToPar
Honestly if I'm Cersie I wouldnt help them fight the WW.
Best case scenario is they barely beat them, protect your kingdom, and are decimated to the point you can defeat them.
Best case scenario is they barely beat them, protect your kingdom, and are decimated to the point you can defeat them.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:39 pm to UpToPar
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Right. Tyrion of all people knows that she cannot be trusted under any circumstances, so why even go through to time and energy to convince her that the WW are real?
I believe Queen Dany mentioned that if they put their forces to the North that Cersei would attack from the South. That is when Tyrion mentioned the absurd idea Cersei would even care that the whole kingdom would die if she did not put her entire support behind fighting the dead---a common enemy.
You are all right, he should know that his sister is the most selfish woman that ever was and would rather die as queen while watching everyone else die with her. She has no heart and loves no one but herself. Very odd he would even insinuate that she would show an ounce of dread towards the dead army or even care.
If the plot line does devolve into the scenario put forth in this thread it will become a horrible ending to a great show.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:42 pm to blueboy
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Yeah, that was too detailed not to be a spoiler.
And as soon as someone called him on it he got very defensive and wouldn't let it go, continuing to harp on his innocence in multiple posts, even when it wasn't brought up. Add in he has been a member for a long time with only 500 or so posts, and it screams alter.
Or he could be completely innocent and we're all being assholes.
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