re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY

Elia was a Martell.... they are all dead. I'm sure people in Dorne liked her, but I don't know why they wouldn't listen to Cersei at this point.

As for Tarly, I have no clue what he decides. I do not think that this last episode resolves his decision one way or the other. It is possible he declines based on us seeing Jaime and Bronn seemingly commanding an army instead of him, I just don't think him accepting wouldnt be a shock.

I feel like Tarly has to side with Cersei or none of these battles will be the least bit interesting

Yes the need to keep some sort of narrative tension is the reason I think you will see Randyll side with Cersei.

If Dorne and/or part of the Reach don't defect, Danny should just roll up everything south of the Neck with minimal problems. There clearly needs to be some sort of realistic chance for Cersei to win here or else a lot of what we saw from the trailers is gonna be really boring.

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The only question I have, is why didn't Tyrion know adout Euron's fleet and make plans to counter it? Varas with his little birds had to know Euron was building a thousand ship fleet. You just don't miss something like that.

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Someone here theorized last night that he did know and did it to draw Euron's attention away from what they're doing in Westeros. I think it's a good theory and would bring Tyrion back to being the power player he was in the first few seasons.

I had some distractions during the episode but I thought this happened on the way to Dorne to get the troops. If so, he's only sacrificing iron born and sand snakes. He has no love for the Greyjoys (who want to divide the Seven Kingdoms anyway) and I can see him wanting Ellaria and the sand snakes dead for killing Marcella. With Ellaria and the snakes out of the way they could probably convince the Dornish to ally with them and come under Dany's command. I'm probably way off but I would actually like this.

I didn't find the episode to be awful but I usually want to watch it again and I haven't been interested so far. Some of the dialogue was so stupid. "Prepare for a foreign invasion!" "Give your uncle a kiss!"

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There clearly needs to be some sort of realistic chance for Cersei to win here or else a lot of what we saw from the trailers is gonna be really boring.

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For the first 2 episodes I felt like we'd seen so much of the footage that there weren't that many surprises. I think episode 3 will be similar and then, hopefully, the rest of the season will be epic. There must be a reason they've held back so much of that footage.

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Does he always have to? We've seen him warg without touching a tree before. I'm not exactly sure how it works.

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I was under the impression that he could warg into an animal at any time, but needed a weirwood tree to enter his Greensight "dimension"

If she starts to go mad, Varys will just have her killed off

I'm not saying she's going to go crazy and destroy everything. As of right now she wants to win with as fewest casualties as possible on either side. I'm saying things will get bad enough for her that she'll have to resort to following Olena's advice of being a dragon not a sheep. We know she will use the Dorthraki and dragons at some point.

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Elia was a Martell.... they are all dead. I'm sure people in Dorne liked her, but I don't know why they wouldn't listen to Cersei at this point.

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Dorne fought along side the Targaryens against Cersei's husband, even after the death of Rhaegar, Dorne refused to bend the knee to Robert's rule. Jon Aryan made the peace, after the death's of their Prince and Princess, but Dorne really wasn't part of the Realm. Even Tywin on show told the Red Viper that he hoped to bring Dorne back into the Kingdom. Refused their seat on the small council until the Red Viper. And I believe the Red Viper poisoned Tywin, Tyrion killed a dead man.

The Dornish would never back Cersei. Their people view the Baratheons, Lannisters, and Tyrells as their enemies.

same reason "that the North remembers",

Dorne hated what happened to their princess and her children. Doran was overthrown because he wasn't agressive enough against the Crown. His people were protesting in the streets, they wanted vengeance against the Lannisters.