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re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY

Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:07 am to
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:07 am to
Winter has come and it is freezing in the North yet no one ever wears a hat to keep their head warm.
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:13 am to
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Ceresi has been in charge for a long time now, just through her sons


I would say Tywin.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 6:23 am
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:43 am to
As soon as Robert died, she lost all control of her sons. She never had any real power until she destroyed the sept and all her kids died


I wouldn't even say Tywin for most of Roberts reign. That would go to the hand of the king, whoever that would be at the time who essentially was king without the crown.
Posted by Azazello
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:48 am to
Looming question:

Will we ever see Howland Reed?
Posted by BigOrangeVols
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:51 am to
I think after the decimation of Yara's fleet/Dorne's army it'll be much easier to side with them.
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:53 am to
No. Next question.

One thing that I haven't seen discussed is that the opening scene confirmed that TPTWP prophecy is ambiguous on gender AND that Mel believes it isn't one person. I think we have known that the word prince could be read as princess for a while, but having the implications of that on TPTWP prophecy is nice.

Mel will be at Dragonstone when Jon arrives. Jon will not be happy with Mel, and I don't think Danny (or Varys) will take kindly to child sacrifice. On the other hand Mel still seems to believe Jon is prophetically important, so she will likely counsel Danny to trust Jon.
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:56 am to
is there a shortage of ravens?

"hey Jon....dude, invest large in dragonglass - Sam"

"Jon - come down to Dragonstone, lets hang - Tyrion"

if these messages are so easily sent, where is the

"your crippled arse baby brother just showed up on our doorstep being pulled on a sled of twigs by some chick - The Nights Watch"

how has this not happened??
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:01 am to
Timeline differences? Maybe Bran gets to the wall right as Jon leaves Winterfell (so "now") or maybe Bran hasn't even gotten to the wall in Jon's storyline.

Given the complexity of these plot lines and the variations in which one(s) have more going on at a particular time, I don't think you can ever say that everything in episode happened before everything in episode 2.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:05 am to
There is no way Tarly sides with the Lannister. They made him look like a huge count last year so that we'd get that fuzzy feeling when he remains loyal and honorable. For the most part, this show doesn't do 1-note characters. Would be way too easy to make him a turncoat
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:07 am to
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Posted by CorporateTiger online on 7/24/17 at 7:01 am to Uncle Stu Timeline differences? Maybe Bran gets to the wall right as Jon leaves Winterfell (so "now") or maybe Bran hasn't even gotten to the wall in Jon's storyline.


This. People really need to understand that these storylines are not always simultaneous


Especially brans storyline. You think it would be easy to understand after he sat out an entire season
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 7:13 am
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:10 am to
I have a feeling he and some others side with Cersei. If they don't then Danny is going to roll over the Seven Kingdoms even with Euron out there.

We know the Unsullied get to Casterly Rock and land. If Danny owns the might of The Reach (essentially unbloodied at this point), Dorne (also unbloodied), and a landed force of Unsullied/Dothraki then Cersei is super fricked. Randyll Tarly and some of his friends siding with her adds some tension.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:10 am to
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There is no way Tarly sides with the Lannister. They made him look like a huge count last year so that we'd get that fuzzy feeling when he remains loyal and honorable. For the most part, this show doesn't do 1-note characters. Would be way too easy to make him a turncoat


Huh? He's been a vilified character since Season 1. It would be weird if all of a sudden he was a good guy. He threatened to kill his own son in the woods because he was a fatty. It's not like Ramsey or Joffery ever showed a softer side. Tarly is a very pragmatic man much like Tywin who will value his family name over everything. If he can raise his house standing, I think that would be very inticing to him.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:11 am to
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Dorne (also unbloodied)


If the sand snakes were in that battle, then so were some if not all of the dornish fleet
Posted by CorporateTiger
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:14 am to
Fair point.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116159 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:16 am to
That was basically the entire point of that battle. They had to slow down Dany (a common theme for her story).


Also I kind of chuckled at the dragon spear they showed, it was big and badass but how many opportunities do they think they are gonna have to shoot a still target dragon?
Posted by SpqrTiger
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:22 am to
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As to the fog again is this the most convenient fog ever or Euron magic


How about... Euron experience? He is the most feared captain in their world. Surely he would know how to watch for, and capitalize on, favorable weather.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:25 am to
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TPTWP prophecy is ambiguous on gender AND that Mel believes it isn't one person


I don't think she believes that, she just doubts her ability to interpret the prophecy after she apparently burned a girl alive for no reason.

quote:

is there a shortage of ravens?

"your crippled arse baby brother just showed up on our doorstep being pulled on a sled of twigs by some chick - The Nights Watch"

how has this not happened??


This seems like a stupid reason but aren't the maesters the ones that usually send and receive the ravens? The Night Watch's maester died and the maester in training is interning at the Citadel.

Posted by PeteRose
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:25 am to
ASOIAF is kind of like a perfect engine with many parts. D&D decide to change a few parts. But in doing so, they are forced to change the connecting parts to those parts. It's a chain reaction. So you have ASOIAF which is perfectly pieced, logical story. And you have HBO's GoT which some storyline, characters' lines and motivations seems contradictory.

It's still a great show and I'm going to watch it religiously. But if you're going to compare to the book in every aspect, then you're going to be disappointed.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:31 am to
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Also I kind of chuckled at the dragon spear they showed, it was big and badass but how many opportunities do they think they are gonna have to shoot a still target dragon?


Would be really handy to break lines but not to shoot at a flying dragon
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:32 am to
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I'm also sick of Dany. I think she has become very unlikeable and seems to be turning into Cersei-lite. She's gotten way overconfident and thinks she's smarter than she actually is.


Jon will straighten her out. Accidental incest aside, he knows where to put it.
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