re: Game of Thrones S7E6: "Beyond The Wall", HODORS ONLY (No Book Readers)

So this is the good and bad of playing with timelines, the good, you speed up the story and get to the good stuff sooner; the bad, you end up with timelines that don't make sense in real life and you don't get the little moments of the story that GOT excelled with.

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Also there is a lot to suggest that the NK saw the conflict in a vision and was there for the sole purpose of getting his dragon. There's choosing Viseerion as a target over Drogon in the first place. Conveniently having chains to drag him out of the water. And why did they wait Jon out? Haven't we seen the NK freeze stuff before? Maybe he could have refrozen the water rather than waiting for it to naturally refreeze at the same rate as a raven flies.

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See my previous point, it appears silly based on our knowledge of time and assumptions on the NK. They might have been on the rock for several days? Also they might have been foraging in a circular route, never veering more than 10-20 miles from the wall, but because the story was rushed we don't know.

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What appear to be plot holes now could be papered over by knowledge the NK has that we currently do not. People keep crying Deus Ex Machina but this is a show where multiple entities are able to see the future. Is it really literary cheating that someone with the greensight created Uncle Benjen and then he is directed to where he needs to be to save 2 key players in the TER's and COF's plan?

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I really like GOT, but sometimes even I forget this is a fantasy show with resurrections, humans riding dragons, magic, witches and zombies. I feel some of this episode was lazy, but lets not act like GOT never was going to get to this point, the show from the beginning was always about the threat from the North.

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Why try to create any drama of Jon being overrun

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Because as it's happening to Jon it is drama. One of the show runners in the behind the scenes comments said something along the lines of "I wrote the show and for a moment while watching it I thought Tormund was going to die because they did such a great job of creating drama and tension." I will agree that with Jon specifically this damsel in distress act where he keeps getting saved is getting old.

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that it absolutely is cheating

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Someone several episodes back talked about the importance of Thoros bringing Beric back to life was really as a precedent to establish that this can happen in the world so when they bring Jon back it's not seen as cheating. We know Benjen was created by the CoF and/or the TER (pre Bran). I don't think it's cheating for them to be able to get Benjen to be where he needs to be to save Bran and Jon. If that's ok and the NK has the greensight too, why would it be cheating for him to know that that's where he gets Viserion? Multiple humans had visions about this encounter that helped their side (Bran and The Hound), why couldn't the NK have a similar advantage? I do think we need to be informed of this at some point next season in an episode told from the NK's point of view. I just don't see it as cheating when it's an established rule of the world that both sides use to their advantage.

I think teleporting ravens are a bigger hole than greensight, assuming this ends up being greensight assisted. If it's not greensight then a whole lot of what happened there becomes very questionable.

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as anyone else wondering how the hell they were able to throw the spear at the dragon? That was a rediculous throw and was very unrealistic

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I understand where you are coming from, but GOT is partly a fantasy epic. In a world with dragons, three-eyed ravens and faceless men, I'm not the least bit surprised that intelligent, almost indestructible, blue-eyed ice men can throw ice javelins with superhuman velocity and accuracy.

My guess is most people are left a little wanting by the confusing timeline and pacing and the entire dragon rescue.

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think teleporting ravens are a bigger hole than greensight, assuming this ends up being greensight assisted. If it's not greensight then a whole lot of what happened there becomes very questionable.

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Well that's another thing I mentioned earlier.

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greensight

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I notice you keep using that term. I don't recall ever hearing that term before now. I've heard it called the sight. Did I miss something?


ETA: And the NK throwing that spear like a boss didn't bother me because he's just a badass that leads the dead that literally the entire world is scared shitless of. So I gave him a pass on his spear chucking ability. Now his decision making going for Viserion instead of Drogon is a different story.

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I notice you keep using that term. I don't recall ever hearing that term before now. I've heard it called the sight. Did I miss something?

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It's greenseer and it's the ability that Bran was given. Which is seeing the past, present, and future.

Yeah, I want my dragons killed realistically.

If you haven't been watching, the Lannisters tried to kill a dragon the "realistic" way. It didnt work. North of the Wall is magic land.

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I notice you keep using that term. I don't recall ever hearing that term before now. I've heard it called the sight. Did I miss something?

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It's the term they use for the visions gifted people like Bran, Jojen and the TER have. From the GoT Wikia (not the ASOFI wiki) which I believe you consider Hodor acceptable:

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Greenseer is the title given to people who possess the magical ability to perceive future, past or distant events in dreams known as Green Dreams. According to legend, greenseers were much respected by the Children of the Forest.

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I finally binged all episodes to catch up. No question one of the best series I have ever seen...Question: Why a Hodor thread and a Maester's thread?

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Question: Why a Hodor thread and a Maester's thread?

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The books used to be ahead of the show and it was difficult for the book readers (Maesters) to discuss the show based on what they knew without spoiling it for the non book readers (Hodors). It's kind of unnecessary now and there are a lot of Hodors Hodoring up the Maester thread, but a few people feel safer here. It's definitely an easier to keep up with thread than the Maester thread.

Question

the trailer for episode 7 at what place is the scene with the unsullied, dothraki and Jaime looking out at them?