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re: Game of Thrones S5:E10:"Mother's Mercy", HODORS ONLY(No Book Readers)

Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:36 pm to
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Umm when?


Multiple times they will show a group traveling to given place, cut to another scene, then back and the group traveling has arrived at the destination it took them a month or two to arrive at. When they go back to the other setting, we've advanced a few hours or days.

Don't forget the great distances traveled in this show. It takes what, a month to get from KL to Winterfell in season 1?
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:39 pm to
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Multiple times they will show a group traveling to given place, cut to another scene, then back and the group traveling has arrived at the destination it took them a month or two to arrive at. When they go back to the other setting, we've advanced a few hours or days.


Yeah but that's nowhere near the same thing as completely ignoring an entire side of the continent in order to ignore the fact that Jon died and THEN going back the next season in time and showing that he was revived. They've never done anything like that and they wouldn't.

That's just speeding up time for a plots sake. That's not jumping around in time. They've never done that. They stick to a linear timeline. The only thing that's close to that is Bran and we haven't seem where they will pick off from there and we've already discussed how those are totally different situations from Jons
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 7:41 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:40 pm to
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Yeah but that's nowhere near the same thing as completely ignoring an entire side of the continent in order to ignore the fact that Jon died and THEN going back the next season in time and showing that he was revived. They've never done anything like that and they wouldn't.


I agree, just saying they could probably stretch in a few episodes if they really pushed it.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:41 pm to
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agree, just saying they could probably stretch in a few episodes if they really pushed it.


2 at the most.

Which would be useless since everyone would know Jon snow was back 8 months prior to those episodes
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:42 pm to
In the HBO series, he never officially died and was always some Frankenstein experiment of the Master until the final episode of the season.
This post was edited on 6/17/15 at 3:09 am
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:42 pm to
I think the only way they can get away with it is if he has a very small appearance toward the end of next season. I read what you wrote about how there's no logical way to keep him out of the show for too long and have it make sense. Honestly, I don't know enough about the show to have an opinion one way or the other. But I do think that the only way they can pull it off without the world knowing, is to film a very small amount of scenes for next season.
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:43 pm to
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2 at the most.

Which would be useless since everyone would know Jon snow was back 8 months prior to those episodes




Yeah, don't see the night's watch waiting long to burn the body.
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:43 pm to
I think they could tell the north/white walker story from the perspective of Bran.
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:45 pm to
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think the only way they can get away with it is if he has a very small appearance toward the end of next season.


Again, impossible.


The Nights watch will go to burn his body as soon as he's dead, because they aren't retards

No one is putting his body on ice for an entire season, and you have to find a way to explain why his body is still around for an entire season but even if you found a good one, just having that reason gives away the fact that he will be revived, so it's a useless thing to do by the writers

They won't have that shocking moment. It's not possible. Don't ruin the show just to try and make it happen
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 7:46 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:46 pm to
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I think they could tell the north/white walker story from the perspective of Bran.


And what the hell do you do with the Wall storyline and Jon's body for an entire season?

Also no one gives a shite about Bran.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:47 pm to
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Go for it

If you honestly thought Stannis was AA, or that he would come out on top in the end, i dunno what to tell you
Not at all bro, but you don't write a character one way then in a matter of innuendo write off everything you wrote before.

4 seasons of GoT: Stannis is a great general and largest army assembled. He got turned back at King's Landing only because of 1. Tyrion and wildfire and 2. Tywin with the Tyrell alliance on the ground in KL. (Great effort to turn him away).

This past season of GoT: Stannis is a great general and largest army assembled. He rests his army at Castle Black for an assault on Winterfell. Then:
1. OMG storm comes, army not fed (thanks Napoleon and Hitler for that writing). 50% of army gone.
2. Ramsay tells papa, "give me 20 men", next thing you know Stannis camp has half the tents burning. LMAO! fricking terrible. Another half gone.
3. Stannis bonfires his child for Red Witch. Half the units leave - including mounted - another half gone.

Think what you want, but to me that's just terrible writing. Stannis' army got cut in half 3x on convenient and easy "this is the outcome we want" writing.

I don't care about Stannis. But it's silly to think he rested his army, lost 50% in a storm, another 50% to Ramsey's 20 men, then another 50% to desertion back to back to back.

If you don't agree with my take on Stannis' sloppy story writing, let's move into Daenerys' ridiculous storyline and then the retardedness that's happened in KL. Loras and Hot Tits are still in prison - unseen - while conveniently a religion of about 12 people rule the kingdom while the actual King gets no screen time, just innuendo that he's crying in the keep.

Then you have the obviousness of kissing Myrcella to poison her before ship sails.

I equate it to jump the shark Dexter.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:47 pm to
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The Nights watch will go to burn his body as soon as he's dead, because they aren't retards


I mean, they did just kill their best swordsman and one of only two living people to have killed a WW in the midst of the greatest crisis the wall has seen in millennia. I wouldn't say that spent a lot of time thinking that decision through.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:50 pm to
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1. OMG storm comes, army not fed (thanks Napoleon and Hitler for that writing). 50% of army gone.


They were Bravosy sell swords. They fight for money, not honor. They fled at the first sign of trouble because they aren't fighting for a cause

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3. Stannis bonfires his child for Red Witch. Half the units leave - including mounted - another half gone.



A desperate, deluded man sacrifices everything because he feels like it's the right thing to do. Because he feels he's the savior. Because it's his only chance in his opinion

Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:51 pm to
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The Nights watch will go to burn his body as soon as he's dead, because they aren't retards I mean, they did just kill their best swordsman and one of only two living people to have killed a WW in the midst of the greatest crisis the wall has seen in millennia. I wouldn't say that spent a lot of time thinking that decision through.


Well they didn't kill one of their best swordsmen and one of the only living people to have killed a WW in the most of a crisis to see that person come back to fight for the other side
Posted by FT
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:52 pm to
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I equate it to jump the shark Dexter.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:53 pm to
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Don't ruin the show just to try and make it happen
Oh I agree. But that seems to be what they're doing, kind of. Otherwise they wouldn't be pulling this "he's really, really dead" nonsense. I'm just saying the only way I think they could pull off having Snow in next season without the public knowing. Whether or not it makes the best sense for the story is another thing. It does seem very possible that they may go that route, right or wrong.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:54 pm to
They are just lying, tbh. Trying to help out GRRM if I had to guess why and to stir up some offseason debate
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:57 pm to
The "he's really dead" bit from D&D rings pretty hollow when news of Harrington's contract extension through 2017 has already leaked
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:59 pm to
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The "he's really dead" bit from D&D rings pretty hollow when news of Harrington's contract extension through 2017 has already leaked


Kit tried covering that track by saying that was bogus, but he's a lying pos so
Posted by FT
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:00 pm to
We need to have a long talk about what factions exist as of now; which Houses are allied, which groups want what, etc.

I think we've basically settled the Jon Snow issue. No one is talking about where power really lies in the Seven Kingdoms. Tommen and the Lannisters still have a strong force, but they sent some off with King Baelish ( ). The Boltons and I think the Freys are together in Winterfell. Stannis's men are scattered. The Tyrells are probably split between King's Landing and Highgarden.

Cersei is probably a lot more willing to deal with Lady Olenna now, so can we call that more of an alliance now? Cersei knows the Tyrells didn't do anything to put her in prison, and they've got a common enemy.

Who knows what the Greyjoys are doing. And King Baelish ( ) owns the Eyrie.
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