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Posted on 6/16/15 at 12:56 pm to Bamatab
quote:Yes it is. When Stannis and Renly meet, Mel says Stannis was AA, born amid salt and smoke.
Actually I don't think the name "Azor Ahai" is ever actually spoken on the show. Him and the prophecy are described, but I don't think anyone actually says "Azor Ahai".
Renly: "Is he a ham?"
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:00 pm to blueboy
Would Dorne be outnumbered?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:02 pm to Cosmo
quote:
Are we sure Stannis is dead?
I really don't think so. In the show, we now have Brienne, Stannis, Reek, and Sansa all together in the same spot. The show writers love to bring major characters together and I believe they use this opportunity.
In the book, we have Stannis, Reek, and fArya together, with Brienne on the way.
In either case, Stannis still has a story to tell; possibly a redemption arc.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:02 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I don't think it would make sense to the wall, and I don't think he's alive.
Making Stannis the Lord Commander of the Nights Watch makes sense to me.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:03 pm to blueboy
Its been a long time since I've read the actual scene, but isn't there some talk of Jon's wounds or the ground or something smoking?
I seem to remember that.
I seem to remember that.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:07 pm to CootKilla
quote:By a lot. But they are very hard to conquer because of their terrain and climate. They can't invade anywhere, but they are very well-proteced.
Would Dorne be outnumbered?
Of course, if you have a combined force of Westeros, who knows?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:08 pm to Fun Bunch
Some say the salt is from the tears (can't remember if it were his tears or tears of the stabbers)
And wasn't there a fire right before Jon gets stabbed?
And wasn't there a fire right before Jon gets stabbed?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:09 pm to wildtigercat93
I wish I could find the exact passage of his stabbing and "death". Can't find it online.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:11 pm to Fun Bunch
I'm sure someone will
I swear some people here have a word doc of the books because they'll pull an exact passage out of their arse in 2 seconds
I swear some people here have a word doc of the books because they'll pull an exact passage out of their arse in 2 seconds
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:12 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Jon's wounds smoke while Bowen Marsh cries, providing the prophecised salt, and Ser Patrek's bloody, star laden heraldry is in the air above.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:12 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I don't remember that, but Dany was born on Dragonstone at the end of the war and is hailed as AA by all of the red priests of Essos.
Its been a long time since I've read the actual scene, but isn't there some talk of Jon's wounds or the ground or something smoking?
Seriously, I think it's Dany.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:19 pm to blueboy
I think it is significant that there are 'three heads of the dragon' and also three prophesies for heroes: The Prince that was Promised, AA, and the Last Hero.
My guesses would be:
PtwP = Aegon
AA = Dany
Last Hero = Jon
That would make for a damn fine Targaryen restoration story.
My guesses would be:
PtwP = Aegon
AA = Dany
Last Hero = Jon
That would make for a damn fine Targaryen restoration story.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:22 pm to jrodLSUke
I don't think Aegon will be any prophesy filler. He's a Blackfyre anyways
Also don't think that all the prophesys have to come true
Also don't think that all the prophesys have to come true
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:23 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:
Jon's wounds smoke while Bowen Marsh cries, providing the prophecised salt, and Ser Patrek's bloody, star laden heraldry is in the air above.
Boom
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:24 pm to jrodLSUke
If fAegon was THAT important, then GRRM would have told the producers and he would be in the show.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:24 pm to blueboy
quote:
Seriously, I think it's Dany.
The Princess that was promised? I don't think so. Her role appears somewhat more clear. She is unambiguously the mother of dragons and the rightful (Targaryean, anyway) heir to the Iron Throne.
Jon Snow is a bastard, however noble born (unless there is another fast one to play, but I doubt it), and may or may not be made legitimate by some king (or queen) in the future (and that doesn't look likely to be Stannis) - and whose parentage may or may not be revlealed by Howland Reed (although Martin has confirmed he will appear and it is tough to believe his appearance will be for anything other than to give the survivor's story of the Tower of Joy) - so we're left with this quandry - is Jon Snow the "Song of Ice and Fire" (presumably the union of a Targaryen and a Stark) or is Dany? Or is some future relationship between Dany and Jon supposed to constitute this "song"?
Or has Martin put all this work and effort into something to become a legend among his readers, neither confirmed nor denied?
Honestly, the novels are a waste of time if Jon Snow isn't Azor Ahai, because nothing else makes sense. Literally everything else in the novels is a sideshow to this story and the coming war between men and the army of The Others. And the central figure to that is Azor Azhai (Jon Snow - R+L=JS - and so forth).
What am I missing?
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:24 pm to jrodLSUke
quote:Aren't they the same thing?
The Prince that was Promised, AA
The other thing about AA is that he/she raises dragons from stone, which Dany has done with the fossilized eggs.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:26 pm to blueboy
Think they are very similar but aren't said to be the same prophesy
One comes from the fire god religion, and the other has been floating around the Targaryn bloodline for a long time
One comes from the fire god religion, and the other has been floating around the Targaryn bloodline for a long time
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:27 pm to wildtigercat93
I've always thought there was a huge hole in the Aegon = Blackfyre theory. Most notably, that the last male Blackfyre was killed around 100 years ago. That would make fAegon the son of a female Blackfyre several generations down the line. And if Illyrio Mopatis is fAegon's father, then fAegon is a Mopatis - not a Blackfyre. Sure, he would have Blackfyre blood, but he would also have Targaryen blood.
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