re: Game of Thrones S4:E8 "The Mountain & The Viper" Book MAESTERS Thread SPOILERS

yeah she turned the corner. lets wait until she plans her first murder and pops that murder cherry

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Gregor fights using a longsword with one hand.

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Gregor fights in his usual style - with heavy armor, his thick oaken shield and his greatsword in one hand - but Oberyn outfights him with speed and a poisoned spear. Though most of Oberyn's attacks are deflected by Gregor's plate, Oberyn cleverly attacks the joints in the armor, and eventually wounds Clegane after the Mountain tires from chasing Oberyn. After being poisoned and crippled by numerous wounds, Clegane manages to grab hold of Oberyn and crush him to death. Before killing Oberyn, however, Gregor roars that he killed Elia and Aegon for all to hear.[3] LINK

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From my reading of the fight, it seems as if Oberyn defeated Gregor more easily in the book than he did on the show.

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That was not my impression considering the book account, Oberyn's spear could not penetrate Gregor's thick armor. The armor Gregor wore in the movie depiction was NOT thick plate armor; looked more like studded leather that the spear easily penetrated.

Gregor Clegane fighting Oberyn Martell - by John Picacio ©

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Because she lied one time? Really?

Not hardly.

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Because she caught him with his pants around his ankles and now has the advantage. She knows that he poisoned Joffrey, planned her escape from King's Landing (so at the very least he's an accomplice in her perceived crimes), poisoned Jon Arryn, and killed Lysa. Now that the lords of the Vale know her true identity, she no longer needs Little Finger to guarantee her survival. Now Littlefinger is alive because Sansa chooses to keep him alive; he's effectively at her disposal.

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Gregor fights in his usual style - with heavy armor, his thick oaken shield and his greatsword in one hand - but Oberyn outfights him with speed and a poisoned spear. Though most of Oberyn's attacks are deflected by Gregor's plate, Oberyn cleverly attacks the joints in the armor, and eventually wounds Clegane after the Mountain tires from chasing Oberyn. After being poisoned and crippled by numerous wounds, Clegane manages to grab hold of Oberyn and crush him to death. Before killing Oberyn, however, Gregor roars that he killed Elia and Aegon for all to hear.[3] LINK

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It's sometimes hard to remember what happened in the book as opposed to what happened on the show. But if I'm remembering correctly, wasn't Tywin more about blaming Amory Lorch and not the Mountain in the book? Therefore, the Mountain's acknowledgment that he did the killing of Elia and her son carried some weight. While in the show, seems like I remember Tywin was blaming the Mountain anyway. So Gregor's acknowledgment didn't shed much light especially since he didn't implicate Tywin.

I guess I have a high standard - and disappointment was also due to the multi-week build up of the show, just felt it was a bit of a let down in the end.

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I guess I have a high standard - and disappointment was also due to the multi-week build up of the show, just felt it was a bit of a let down in the end.

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At the end of the day this is the whole book vs TV/movie argument. I think most of us prefer getting to use our own imagination as opposed to the imagination of some director whom we don't know. Let me add that the show wasted valuable minutes on the Grey Worm-Missandei romance and the beetle scene, which led up to the fight.

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I can see not being completely satisfied, but not sure how someone could be dissapointed. It was pretty much spot on.

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This.

Anyone saying they are disappointed with any of the major deaths in the show is being way too picky.

not quite sure what more you wanted...

I'm counting Eddard, Red Wedding, Joffrey, Oberyn and Tywin as major deaths through the first four seasons. The fact that they've done each one justice in my mind up to this point gives me faith that I won't be disappointed in the Tywin scene.

And I say this is a major death because of the impact it has on the audience. Every book reader knew that this would be an entertaining episode for watching Hodor reactions. I find it hard to believe anyone just thought "meh" while reading or watching.

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And I say this is a major death because of the impact it has on the audience. Every book reader knew that this would be an entertaining episode for watching Hodor reactions. I find it hard to believe anyone just thought "meh" while reading or watching.

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got you, that makes sense. I just didn't consider Oberyn a huge character in the long run, but certainly was a major death the way you categorized it.