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re: Game of Thrones S4:E2:"The Lion and the Rose", HODORS ONLY (no book readers)

Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:20 pm to
Posted by pleading the fifth
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:20 pm to
hodor
Posted by 2close2Gainesville
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:22 pm to
Look here, if anyone's gonna have sex with my sister, it's gonna be ME!
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:23 pm to
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Look here, if anyone's gonna have sex with my sister, it's gonna be ME!


Seems like something is missing...
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:24 pm to
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It was old man lanaster

Young boy takes crown. He gets to keep power. Tyrion goes away since he dispises his son.

Joffrey was obviously growing beyond the ability to control. He was a liability, and old man lanaster saw it. Family first.



ooh, I like this theory! How would he know that Joffrey would take the first bite of pie though?
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:24 pm to
RIP Joffrey, Pete Campbell's hairline.
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:27 pm to
How would he know that Joffrey would take the first bite of pie though?

Has he been much more than an egocentric personality since the fall of ned stark? King Joffrey did everything first except fight for his kingdom.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 9:27 pm
Posted by tylercsbn9
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:28 pm to
So the cup was on the ground. Anyone know where it was before that and how it got there? Or was the pie poisoned? Did anyone else eat it? Or did Marjorie poison it?
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 9:29 pm
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:28 pm to
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How would he know that Joffrey would take the first bite of pie though?


pretty sure it's part of the ceremony. I mean they made a big show of him cutting it open.

Although Marjory (sp?) did feed him the pie... and the wine came from in front of Gram Gram + the foreshadowing.
Posted by Eman5805
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:30 pm to
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How would he know that Joffrey would take the first bite of pie though?

Has he been much more than an egocentric personality since the fall of ned stark? King Joffrey did everything first except fight for his kingdom.


What if it's a combination of substances that makes the poison? A toxin in the pie and another toxin in the wine that won't kill you by themselves, but together it'll start taking effect?
Posted by Rouge
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:32 pm to
You might be overthinking it, eman



Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:33 pm to
Yeah, and it's not like Joffrey is going to be the only one eating pie and drinking wine. I mean, everyone loves pie and wine.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:33 pm to
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What if it's a combination of substances that makes the poison? A toxin in the pie and another toxin in the wine that won't kill you by themselves, but together it'll start taking effect?





How about, No
Posted by crimsonsaint
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:34 pm to
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I don't think it was a painful enough death for that little shite


I agree but him getting murdered at his wedding reception while his family, friends, and enemies watched is not too shabby.
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:36 pm to
joffrey was drinking out of the cup, then poured his wine on tyrion's head, then dropped it on the floor and kicked it under table. Sansa picked it up and gave it to tyrion, who filled it with wine that was sitting on the table. Then just as joffrey was trying to make tyrion bow down, the pie came out and joffrey cut it and took the first bite. I'm almost certain that Margary had not taken a bite yet. Then Joffrey took another sip of wine after complaining the pie was dry and that's when he started choking.
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:37 pm to
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Although Marjory (sp?) did feed him the pie... and the wine came from in front of Gram Gram + the foreshadowing.



I thought the wine was in front of Tywin/Cersei

It's coming on again at 10pm. We are going to have to watch more closely. I'm feeling super HODORY right now.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 9:39 pm
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:38 pm to
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joffrey was drinking out of the cup, then poured his wine on tyrion's head, then dropped it on the floor and kicked it under table. Sansa picked it up and gave it to tyrion, who filled it with wine that was sitting on the table. Then just as joffrey was trying to make tyrion bow down, the pie came out and joffrey cut it and took the first bite. I'm almost certain that Margary had not taken a bite yet. Then Joffrey took another sip of wine after complaining the pie was dry and that's when he started choking.




All of this means that there are at least 6 places the poison could have came from.

1) Sansa handing the cup to Tyrion
2) Tyrion himself
3) the decanter in front of Tywin and Cersei
4) The pie
5) The last time the goblet was picked up was from the table where Granda Tycell was sitting.
6) The pie was being fed to him FROM Marjory.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:38 pm to
I really hope Tyrion can talk his way out of this. He will have his sister and father against him. It won't be easy, evidence or not.
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:39 pm to
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I thought the wine was in front of Tywin/Cersei


The wine that filled the goblet was from in front of them yes. but Joffrey set the goblet down on the table where Grandma was sitting when he started eating the pie and the poison could have been added there.

EDIT because I don't want my list to be lost on the last post of last page.

All of this means that there are at least 6 places the poison could have came from.

1) Sansa handing the cup to Tyrion
2) Tyrion himself
3) the decanter in front of Tywin and Cersei
4) The pie
5) The last time the goblet was picked up was from the table where Granda Tycell was sitting.
6) The pie was being fed to him FROM Marjory.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 9:40 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:39 pm to
I'm glad Joffrey went out the way he did. That looked very painful, which is what the little douche deserved.

That's three kings now who have died under Jamie's watch - though Robert Baratheon doesn't really count. Still...quite the track record he's got going.
This post was edited on 4/13/14 at 9:41 pm
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 4/13/14 at 9:41 pm to
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1) Sansa handing the cup to Tyrion


Motive, opportunity
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