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re: Game of Thrones 2:2, SPOILERS HERE - FOR ALL BOOK READERS
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:29 pm to DestrehanTiger
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:29 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Stannis's army has been ravaged by winter. I doubt he has nearly as many as he started with.
Yeah, and he burned a few and probably can't completely trust the Karstark men left behind. But my main point was that his force was by no means meager and could hold it's own with the Bolton's.
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Posted on 4/11/12 at 6:18 pm to auyushu
I meant meager as in the sense of exhausted from the treacherous trek, old and young soldiers he took on, and soldiers not used to the winter.
Despite being a veteran and better field commander he's clearly up against it when assaulting Ramsay. Plus the guy has been foolhardy lately, going through such a strenuous trail just to bash head on against Winterfel.
Despite being a veteran and better field commander he's clearly up against it when assaulting Ramsay. Plus the guy has been foolhardy lately, going through such a strenuous trail just to bash head on against Winterfel.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 6:23 pm to ATLienTiger
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Despite being a veteran and better field commander he's clearly up against it when assaulting Ramsay. Plus the guy has been foolhardy lately, going through such a strenuous trail just to bash head on against Winterfel.
But if he is captured that means that Ramsay sallied out and attacked Stannis meaning Stannis got to fight with fresher men. Remember Ramsay's men have to fight in that same snow. Unless there is an extreme numbers advantage in favor of the Bolton's I would think Stannis is the favorite in the open field.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 6:33 pm to CottonWasKing
Arghh, I think only way for me to stop confusing myself is reread second half of Dance again, and look on Westeros forums about the Winds timeline.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 6:46 pm to ATLienTiger
The last time we saw Stannis he was snowed in a village 3-4 days west of Winterfell.
That means Ramsay's men would have to march 3-4 days through knee deep snow and vicious weather to get to him. The weather would probably lengthen that time to weeks.
That means Ramsay's men would have to march 3-4 days through knee deep snow and vicious weather to get to him. The weather would probably lengthen that time to weeks.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 12:47 am to ATLienTiger
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So for those who have read Dance, and the Winds Sample chapter, could you please clear up some of my confusion?
The timeline issues are really throwing me for a loop, well that and characters lie, but what exactly is going on with Ramsay and Stannis?
I actually believed that Stannis was captured by Ramsay and whatnot. Is Winds sample just a POV that is slightly behind the ends of Dance, or just Ramsay bull shitting?
So, I still think Ramsay is full of it on killing Stannis, but apparently Martin said on his blog that the sample chapter from WOW with Theon actually takes place before the end of ADWD where Jon receives the letter. So the sample is slightly behind ADWD and Ramsay could have attacked after that chapter.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 3:46 am to auyushu
Exactly, thats why I so mind fricked with his timeline crap since he couldn't figure out how best to finish Feast and was under the gun to publish something.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 7:34 am to CottonWasKing
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Kingdom of The Stormlands ruled by the Baratheons after the War of Conquest. As far as I know the ancient Storm Kings weren't given family names
I can't remembrer which book it was in but wasn't the first Baratheon Storm Lord a bastard brother pf Aegon the Conqueror?
Posted on 4/12/12 at 7:40 am to shinerfan
I thought roberts only targaryen claim was a great grandmother who was a distant targ cousin?
I could be wrong though I can't remember exactly
I could be wrong though I can't remember exactly
Posted on 4/12/12 at 8:00 am to CottonWasKing
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I thought roberts only targaryen claim was a great grandmother who was a distant targ cousin?
Robert's Grandmother was a Targaryen: Rhaelle Targaryen
LINK
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Posted on 4/12/12 at 2:45 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Lord Orys Baratheon of Storm's End was the founder of House Baratheon. He slew the last Storm King, Argilac the Arrogant, married his daughter and took his lands.
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Orys was the rumored bastard half-brother of Aegon I. He was one of Aegon's fiercest commanders, rising through the ranks. He slew Argilac the Arrogant, the last Storm King. Aegon rewarded him with the lands and castle. He took the Storm King's daughter as his wife and adopted the banner, honors and words of her line.
LINK
Posted on 4/12/12 at 3:40 pm to shinerfan
So the baratheons were never storm kings? Interesting
Posted on 4/12/12 at 4:03 pm to Methuselah
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On the other hand, if Bolton really did just send the Frey's and Manderlays after Stannis first, I doubt that they beat him. They are much more liable to kill one another and Manderlay doesn't have any love at all for Bolton IIRC.
Lord Manderlay very well could betray the Boltons and join Stannis to destroy the Frey's, then retun with Stannis to Winterfell. That would not surprise me one bit.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 4:16 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
That is Manderlys intention, no? Doesnt he tell Davos as much?
eta: And I think we all know what happened to those two Freys on the road on the way there.
Baked in a pie lulz
eta: And I think we all know what happened to those two Freys on the road on the way there.
Baked in a pie lulzThis post was edited on 4/12/12 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 4/12/12 at 4:56 pm to TigerRad
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That is Manderlys intention, no? Doesnt he tell Davos as much?
Thought so, but I thought it was a Davos POV chapter and you can never trust anything in Martin's world. Utter chaos and shifting allegiances......man I love it.
Posted on 4/12/12 at 7:51 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
This is the greatest fantasy world ever created imo. Yes, even better than middle earth
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 12:24 am
Posted on 4/13/12 at 1:36 am to TigerRad
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That is Manderlys intention, no? Doesnt he tell Davos as much?
eta: And I think we all know what happened to those two Freys on the road on the way there. Baked in a pie lulz
Yeah, that's probably the most awesome thing that happened in ADWD, Manderly is bad arse. And yeah, he said he;d support Stannis if Davos went to Skagos for Rickon.Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:04 am to auyushu
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Skagos
I know its a great theory, but why is everyone so totally sure that its Skagos? Recount the evidence for me. Can we expect that Osha is able to survive there because of her wildling ways? What boat would take them there?
Posted on 4/13/12 at 8:30 am to TigerRad
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I know its a great theory, but why is everyone so totally sure that its Skagos? Recount the evidence for me. Can we expect that Osha is able to survive there because of her wildling ways? What boat would take them there
From westoros.org
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Wex also says that six survived the siege, the sons of Winterfell. Four of the people went north and two went another. Wyman asks Wex to show them where they went and he throws the dagger at the spot on the map. Davos looks long at where the dagger has landed, pondering whether it would be better to go back to the dungeons and eat porridge for breakfast as it is better than places where men break fast upon human flesh instead.
The Skagosi are said to be cannibals.
Posted on 4/13/12 at 12:25 pm to EarthwormJim
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I know its a great theory, but why is everyone so totally sure that its Skagos? Recount the evidence for me. Can we expect that Osha is able to survive there because of her wildling ways? What boat would take them there
Basically it's just combining the paragraph there EarthwormJim quoted along with the fact that earlier in the same book it's mentioned that people on Skagos are mentioned as cannibals. Skagos is also the only island up in the North outside of Bear Island (where Rickon obviously isn't based on the fact none of the Mormonts mentioned it, and due to the fact Osha was avoiding the west side of the North due to Iron Islands invaders).
Manderly wouldn't need a smuggler/Sailor to go get Rickon if he was somewhere on the mainland, they could just follow the coast. It really makes no sense for her to have gone to Skagos rather than White Harbor, but there really is no other island in the north they could have gone to.
This post was edited on 4/13/12 at 12:26 pm
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