Finally saw TLJ....you were right, hot garbage :SPOILERS:

What did you think of Leia flying through space?

If they even hinted at her using the force at any point, why not. She's a Starkiller....I mean Skywalker. But I was done at that point, so whatever.

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What did you think of Leia flying through space?

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I liked the movie more than most on here and that scene still had me like wtffffffff

Cut that out and cut the casino plot out and it’s a good movie. Final act was legit.

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Cut that out and cut the casino plot out and it’s a good movie. Final act was legit.

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I liked the movie more than most on here and that scene still had me like wtffffffff Cut that out and cut the casino plot out and it’s a good movie. Final act was legit.

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I agree that scene was a little hard to swallow. I get it, she has been trained (somewhat) in the force by Luke, but even the strongest of Jedi “shouldn’t” be able to withstand free floating in space. That shite is insta death for anyone.

The casino scene didn’t bother me so much as all Star Wars movies have had this “side story within the story” stuff. Granted this one wasn’t as good as the others have been but it was a short point in the film.

I liked the movie alright. I didn’t love it. There were “moments” within it that I thought were really good. My biggest complaint about it is that none of the subplots ultimately made any difference to the outcome. Poe and coming any blowing up a dreadnaught made no difference, the casino plot looking for the code cracker made no difference. What the essentially had was what should have been the opening scene to a much grander movie. Oh, wait, they did that already in A New Hope.

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My main complaints:
Leah flying through space rather than being killed right there. That was the perfect way to kill her off, where Kylo couldn't pull the trigger, but she dies anyway.

Space speed limits and fuel are suddenly a thing now. This really bothered my as it went against all prior films.

The stampede escape from the casino planet. Unlike most, I actually liked the casino planet as a plot idea, but that escape was a complete bungling of the concept. It looked bad, it made no sense, and was completely pointless other than the visual, which didn't even turn out that good. Besides, the entire subplot turned out to be completely useless anyways and in no way advanced the plot. It literally only served to give 2 characters something to do and fill time during Ray's training.

Dern was a dick for absolutely no reason. I understand her need to teach Poe a lesson after his head strong decision to defy orders to take down the dreadnaught cost the Rebels much of their fleet. He was thinking like Robert E. Lee rather than like Stonewall Jackson. He wanted the big victory without realizing that his side couldn't afford the losses needed to achieve it. The other side could weather the loss of a dreadnaught more than the Resistance could weather the loss of those bombers and pilots. However, Dern could have easily just explained the situation to him rather than allowing that whole subplot to happen. Besides, both plans could easily have been run concurrently with little to no risk. It was just a pointless conflict to stretch the plot to get everyone in position where they wanted them.

Hyperspace kamakaze was another deus ex machina. That is really worse than the Eagles in LOTRs. If Hyperspace worked that way in the other movies, they wouldn't have needed to do those complicated trench runs to blow up the death star. The Empire wouldn't need these huge armies to destroy rebel bases. They would just hyperspace an empty ship straight into a rebel base and blow it all to smithereens. It completely invalidates so much of the previous movie physics. I'm not saying a sci-fy movie has to be realistic, it just has to be consistent to itself.

Luke's force projection and then dying BS. I had no problem with him dying, but he should have had the courage to show up and die in person or not die at all if he was really just a force projection. They set up his redemption arc perfectly. I liked him being bitter. It actually made sense to me. It's like they knew what they were supposed to do, but purposefully avoided doing it to be "edgy". They even went through the pains of showing that the x-wing was there.

Pacing was a tremendous problem. It's like they tried to jam too much stuff into this movie, but at the same time, had to stretch for time to get everyone into position. It feels like they created a Mereenese Knot to allow for Ray to have time to get her training to be involved in the plot involving the Resistance fighting the First Order. Everything from there like the hyperspace tracking, the fuel, the speed limit stuff, the casino planet, etc was all just a stall to get Ray where they needed her when they needed her.

This movie seemed to be crafted around visuals rather than moving a story in any particular direction. They started with "you know, it would be cool to see this!" and then tried to work backwards into how they could get the characters there. It made the whole movie seem completely disjointed and required some serious departures from previous films in order to tie the loose ends even somewhat together.

I feel like by fixing some of those above problems, there's actually some parts of a really really great movie in TLJ, but a really good movie is not what Rian Johnson made.

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hat a horrible piece of crap. The Yoda scene was the only thing I really enjoyed.

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Seriously? That reason was fricked up because they had to be able to sell the movie to China. They made sure Yoda looked nowhere close to a ghost and the whole lightning think was also bullshite. Why wouldn't Yoda pop in and use the lightning at other moments? I dont get it. I liked seeing Yoda but that scene was screwed up and I just hate this movie in general.

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liked the movie more than most on here and that scene still had me like wtffffffff

Cut that out and cut the casino plot out and it’s a good movie. Final act was legit.

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Same here. I actually really enjoyed it in the theater. Then I came to this board, and got to thinking about the story, and realized that it should’ve been much better. But it was superficially entertaining (is that a thing?) and I enjoyed the humor.

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This is false because had he not taken out the dreadnaught, they all would have died right at the beginning because the rebel ships couldn’t defend against its cannon.

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If he'd pulled back, they were just going to jump to hyperspace. They could outrun the dreadnaught far more easily than the other First Order ships.

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The other issue is this is the only mid-trilogy sequel I have ever watched that took every potential character story of the first movie and crushed it. It felt like Johnson didn’t like where Abrams was heading so he tried to reset the trilogy in the second movie.

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So much this.

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Let me highlight a criticial point that is easy to miss: Rey is a master of both saber and force abilities in just a little more linear time than it took Luke to fly from Tatooine to the Death Star. What was that? 10 minutes of screen time? From not knowing it exists to that level in less than a week. Luke spent over a year practicing and training, and STILL gave up on feats Rey does casually, AFTER spending months with a Master.

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They had so many opportunities to explain away the apparent logic flaws in the first one, and completely ignored them while creating an order of magnitude more flaws in the new one. It would be very easy to craft a back story for Ray that explains her power.

Maybe, as a child, she was one of the students at the new Jedi Academy Luke was running. Maybe, Kylo thought he killed her, but Luke found her alive in the rubble, but somehow wiped her memory and left her on Jakku with someone to look after her who immediately bailed before Luke went into hiding. That would explain how she went from 0 to 60. It would show that before her memories were wiped, she had already mastered many of those techniques, and so the force merely needed to re-awaken in her for her powers to come back to her. It would give a reason for why Luke's light saber chose her. It would give her a reason why she should be the one to find Luke. The student, after discovering her power, would be unknowingly returning to her former master to rediscover who she is.

Rian just said, nah, f&%k that.