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Final thoughts on Hunters.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:11 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:11 am
Ok, I've wrapped this up. Here's sort of a stream of consciousness with all this.
What's the psychology behind making the Nazis the most entertaining and interesting characters on the show? I wonder if that was intentional. I wonder if the writers and producers reflected on the finished product and thought "Oh shite. Our monsters are more captivating than our heroes".
Probably not. How could they? They can't even see how racially divisive this is.
The only likable characters in this show were three Nazis and a second rate jewish actor that stopped being funny after episode 3.
You know, if it no longer matters what gender or race plays a particular character. Then why do all the Nazis have to be white and the Nazi hunters can be all the colors of the rainbow and genders of the alphabet? I mean we've got Jew Nazi hunters, Asian Nazi Hunters, Black militant single mom Nazi hunters and black lesbian Nazi hunters.
But only white Nazis. Now I know what you're thinking. Nazis were in fact white and of course this is true but it makes about as much sense having an Asian, Vietnam vet Nazi hunter as it does an Indian (dot, not feather) SS war criminal. So why not have both? One is no less ridiculous than the other. In tv show fantasy land, Indian actors can play SS officers just as well as hot black chicks or Japanese guys can play Nazi hunters.
Hardly seems fair that an up and coming brown, black or yellow actor should be denied a role that would be exclusively played by a white person. That's unjust.
If we're going to defy reality with who actually hunted Nazis, then let us also defy reality with who Nazis actually were. Because there were about as many black militant, single mom Nazi hunters as there were Latino SS officers.
And speaking of Latinos. Why couldn't a Mexican for instance play that Nazi assassin guy, Travis? Like I said. It no longer matters the race, sexual identity or gender that plays a particular character. What matters is that we're socially and culturally sensitive. Unless of course you're portraying bad and evil people, in which case the blonder your hair and the bluer your eyes, the better.
What was this show really about? I mean no one really thinks this was about Nazi hunting or the holocaust, do they? No, no one can possibly believe that. The premise for this show was a vehicle for a contemporary social message and nothing more. Anyone who thinks this wasn't White bad. Brown, yellow and black good is lying to himself. The subtext was so obvious, it ceased to be subtext.
This was such a cheap and blatant attempt at white guilt fingerwagging. And as each episode unfolded, there was less and less of an attempt to hide it.
Oh and one final thing. The twist at the end was really stupid.
What's the psychology behind making the Nazis the most entertaining and interesting characters on the show? I wonder if that was intentional. I wonder if the writers and producers reflected on the finished product and thought "Oh shite. Our monsters are more captivating than our heroes".
Probably not. How could they? They can't even see how racially divisive this is.
The only likable characters in this show were three Nazis and a second rate jewish actor that stopped being funny after episode 3.
You know, if it no longer matters what gender or race plays a particular character. Then why do all the Nazis have to be white and the Nazi hunters can be all the colors of the rainbow and genders of the alphabet? I mean we've got Jew Nazi hunters, Asian Nazi Hunters, Black militant single mom Nazi hunters and black lesbian Nazi hunters.
But only white Nazis. Now I know what you're thinking. Nazis were in fact white and of course this is true but it makes about as much sense having an Asian, Vietnam vet Nazi hunter as it does an Indian (dot, not feather) SS war criminal. So why not have both? One is no less ridiculous than the other. In tv show fantasy land, Indian actors can play SS officers just as well as hot black chicks or Japanese guys can play Nazi hunters.
Hardly seems fair that an up and coming brown, black or yellow actor should be denied a role that would be exclusively played by a white person. That's unjust.
If we're going to defy reality with who actually hunted Nazis, then let us also defy reality with who Nazis actually were. Because there were about as many black militant, single mom Nazi hunters as there were Latino SS officers.
And speaking of Latinos. Why couldn't a Mexican for instance play that Nazi assassin guy, Travis? Like I said. It no longer matters the race, sexual identity or gender that plays a particular character. What matters is that we're socially and culturally sensitive. Unless of course you're portraying bad and evil people, in which case the blonder your hair and the bluer your eyes, the better.
What was this show really about? I mean no one really thinks this was about Nazi hunting or the holocaust, do they? No, no one can possibly believe that. The premise for this show was a vehicle for a contemporary social message and nothing more. Anyone who thinks this wasn't White bad. Brown, yellow and black good is lying to himself. The subtext was so obvious, it ceased to be subtext.
This was such a cheap and blatant attempt at white guilt fingerwagging. And as each episode unfolded, there was less and less of an attempt to hide it.
Oh and one final thing. The twist at the end was really stupid.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:15 am to Pandy Fackler
I didn't make it past the 2nd episode. It just seemed like they were trying way too hard to be quirky and it was falling flat for me.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:12 am to Pandy Fackler
Whether it's Hunters, Watchmen, Hunting Watchmen or Watching Hunters, the subtext is always glaringly at the forefront. The plot doesn't have to make sense at all. Character relationships don't need to be authentic nor do their motivations need to be consistent or understandable. As long as the creator/director's "woke" message bludgeons you over the head relentlessly it's a great show and deserves accolades. And you're a piece of shite bigot if you vocalize why the show sucks.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:13 am to Ham Solo
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I didn't make it past the 2nd episode. It just seemed like they were trying way too hard to be quirky and it was falling flat for me.
I thought the first episode was really promising. After the third episode though, it became pretty obvious what this shite was really about.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:15 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Whether it's Hunters, Watchmen, Hunting Watchmen or Watching Hunters, the subtext is always glaringly at the forefront.
There's really no subtlety to it anymore.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:49 am to Pandy Fackler
I never watched this show because it seemed from the commercials that
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The premise for this show was a vehicle for a contemporary social message and nothing more.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:51 am to Pandy Fackler
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You know, if it no longer matters what gender or race plays a particular character. Then why do all the Nazis have to be white and the Nazi hunters can be all the colors of the rainbow and genders of the alphabet? I mean we've got Jew Nazi hunters, Asian Nazi Hunters, Black militant single mom Nazi hunters and black lesbian Nazi hunters.
Because a black woman or an Asian man that signed up to be a Nazi would be sent to a concentration camp during third Reich Germany. I know you think Hollywood picks and chooses their acceptable double standards, but here is one that would have made no sense. Everyone hates Nazis. Why is it odd that a militant black woman would hunt them? She's hunting the most notorious Western Civ villains of the 20th century.
The show sucks. I can't believe you made it to the end.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:15 am to Pandy Fackler
I’m not saying you’re wrong; in fact, you’re probably right. However, I found it an entertaining and relatively low effort watch.
You are 100% correct here.
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Oh and one final thing. The twist at the end was really stupid.
You are 100% correct here.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:17 am to Pandy Fackler
Agree with all of this. Almost done with the series and will try to power through until the end.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 7:34 am to Pandy Fackler
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But only white Nazis. Now I know what you're thinking. Nazis were in fact white and of course this is true but it makes about as much sense having an Asian, Vietnam vet Nazi hunter as it does an Indian (dot, not feather) SS war criminal. So why not have both? One is no less ridiculous than the other. In tv show fantasy land, Indian actors can play SS officers just as well as hot black chicks or Japanese guys can play Nazi hunters.
Yeah.... what?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:11 am to Jay Are
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Because a black woman or an Asian man that signed up to be a Nazi would be sent to a concentration camp during third Reich Germany
Yeah ok, and a black militant single mom who answered a classified to hunt Nazis, would have first been told by her jew slum lord not be late with the rent check.
Blacks and Jews hate each other. Just ask the likes of Jessie Jackson and Louis Farrakhan.
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I know you think Hollywood picks and chooses their acceptable double standards, but here is one that would have made no sense.
It makes as much sense to recruit a brown SS officer as it does to have anyone hunting Nazis in 1977 other than Jews.
In terms of the racial/cultural aspect of this show, the only thing that makes sense is that Nazis were white. The rest of it? Well by design it was meant to not make sense at all.
Everything about this show screamed "All the shades of brown are uniting against the only perpetrators of evil and racism on the planet."
The only non-white culture I can think of who could've been in this would be Ethiopian.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:12 am to Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:17 am to sacrathetic
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Yes!
We have this notion of diversity shoved down our throats with force, but the diversity is only for the "good" characters. The bad characters will only be one race if possible.
It happens in movies, TV shows, and commercials (hello, home security system commercials).
Look, if the diversity is going to be shoved down our throats, then at least apply the standard equally.
But we all know they won't because their agenda won't allow it.
The fact of the matter is this is true and this show, only in the first few episodes made a lazy attempt to conceal it. After that, there was no attempt to conceal it at all. I mean not even a little.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:42 am to Pandy Fackler
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This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:55 am to Pandy Fackler
It's so tough to be a white man in America.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:57 am to SammyTiger
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But only white Nazis. Now I know what you're thinking. Nazis were in fact white and of course this is true but it makes about as much sense having an Asian, Vietnam vet Nazi hunter as it does an Indian (dot, not feather) SS war criminal. So why not have both? One is no less ridiculous than the other. In tv show fantasy land, Indian actors can play SS officers just as well as hot black chicks or Japanese guys can play Nazi hunters.
Yeah.... what?
The point is that if people can be ok with all the colors of the racial rainbow and black lesbian members of the gay alphabet playing 1977 Nazi hunters, then they should be as equally ok with someone like this guy LINK playing a Nazi SS assasin. Because both concepts make the same amount of sense and are as equally ridiculous.
But we can't do that though. Only the good guys can be "multi-cultural", even though, Nazi hunters were about as multi-cultural as the Nazis they were hunting.
It no longer matters what race, gender or sexual identity portrays a particular character and it certainly doesn't matter how the history of it all is manipulated by such casting. With that in mind, we should've had some brown Nazis.
If we can tell a multi-cultural lie about who actually hunted Nazis, then let's tell the same lie about who Nazis actually were.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:05 am to Pandy Fackler
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It no longer matters what race, gender or sexual identity portrays a particular character and it certainly doesn't matter how the history of it all is manipulated by such casting. With that in mind, we should've had some brown Nazis.
If we can tell a multi-cultural lie about who actually hunted Nazis, then let's tell the same lie about who Nazis actually were.
The double standard is real.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:06 am to sacrathetic
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Nowadays I don't think they can deny the premise anymore with a straight face. Anyone with an 80 IQ or higher can recognize what's going on.
And their go-to responses of calling you a racist or whatever other "ist" they can make up just doesn't seem to have any weight any more. No one is buying that shite anymore.
You're right and this show completely stripped away the veneer for me.
If you're gonna watch movies and tv nowadays you have to accept a measure of it but this show? It kinda felt like propaganda. It was weird.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:43 am to Esquire
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It's so tough to be a white man in America.
Not for me. I've got it pretty good and I think fundamentally, that's the problem.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:59 am to Aubie Spr96
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The double standard is real.
It's not a double standard. White people just make the best villains (Hannibal Lector, Vader, Hans Gruber, The Jokers, etc.) Own it and you'll be cured of your white fragility.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 11:00 am
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