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re: Encanto

Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:11 pm to
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The music is catchy, but I don't think it's particularly good. It doesn't really relate to anything other than the movie.

You could have heard "Let It Go" from Frozen, without seeing the movie, and probably could have related to it


Surface Pressure says hi.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:44 pm to
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The music is catchy, but I don't think it's particularly good. It doesn't really relate to anything other than the movie.


Yes, that’s how I feel as well. The numbers just seem to come in and out and that’s mostly the last you hear from those characters save for minor appearances.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 2/5/22 at 5:33 pm to
Let’s be honest, Pixar/Disney will never top that 3 movie run they had with BatB, Aladdin, and TLK. Pretty much every track in those movies was top notch.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 5:53 pm to
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Surface Pressure says hi.


I guess? Seems like the weakest song in the movie to me.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 5:55 pm to
I liked Hamilton and In the Heights; I’ve seen them both on stage. I feel like I’ve heard all these songs before. Miranda really hasn’t evolved that much.

Movie was ok. I doubt I’ll ever watch it again.

I did like that they didn’t force some villain. Although that’s more of a criticism of Frozen and less a compliment to Encanto.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:44 pm to
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I guess? Seems like the weakest song in the movie to me.


The eldest child feeling the pressure to take on all of the family’s burdens, never cracking, always having to be the strong one? Powerful stuff IMO
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62615 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:27 am to
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Surface Pressure says hi.


Nah, not really.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62615 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 4:30 am to
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The eldest child feeling the pressure to take on all of the family’s burdens, never cracking, always having to be the strong one? Powerful stuff IMO


You’re making the poster’s point for him though. That’s not a universal theme to which everyone can relate. If you’re not an eldest, it kind of just is.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33592 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 5:16 am to
Not surprised this movie is taking flak here. I figured it would.


It’s a good movie. Not great. Like others have said I probably won’t watch it again until my newborn is old enough but it’s still not a bad movie by any means. Some of the songs are catchy, others are pretty forgettable. I’m actually surprised “we don’t talk about Bruno” is so popular when I thought the opening song was easily the best in the movie
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:46 am to
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quote:
Surface Pressure says hi.


I guess? Seems like the weakest song in the movie to me.




Really? Surface Pressure and We Don't Talk About Bruno are my two favorites.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
63069 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 8:54 am to
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The eldest child feeling the pressure to take on all of the family’s burdens, never cracking, always having to be the strong one? Powerful stuff IMO


I agree that's a powerful theme, but the song isn't nearly as catchy as the others in the film. The first part of it is a total drag. And as someone else pointed out, only us first kids are really able to relate to that message.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 8:55 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
63069 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 8:56 am to
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Really? Surface Pressure and We Don't Talk About Bruno are my two favorites.


Surface Pressure was totally forgettable to me. I had to watch it on YouTube to remember it when it was brought up. Bruno is a good song.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 8:57 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:27 pm to
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I did like that they didn’t force some villain. Although that’s more of a criticism of Frozen and less a compliment to Encanto.



Honestly Disney hasn't produced a good villain in years, unless you want to count Ernesto De La Cruz from Coco but that's Pixar. It's my criticism with Moana is I wish they developed an actual good villain for that movie, and I think they were just one rewrite away from getting it. This isn't a criticism of this film, but Disney's villain game has been lacking as of late when historically they've been excellent at writing villains. Of the Top 100 villains of all time, probably like 8 are Disney.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33592 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:12 pm to
I get the criticism for Moana but I still enjoyed the hell out of that one. The animation is just insane at times
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:18 pm to
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I get the criticism for Moana but I still enjoyed the hell out of that one. The animation is just insane at times



I like Moana, I just think it was one rewrite away from being a Disney Masterpiece. Moana's story calls for a villain IMO, and there wasn't one, but that's the only major thing holding it back.
Posted by ctalati32
Member since Sep 2007
4068 posts
Posted on 2/6/22 at 8:53 pm to
I too am a bit surprised about the negativity about the movie.
The villain of the film is the toxic family structure that exists in the Madrigal family.

Most of the movie is pretty depressing, you see everyone under the stress of abuela controlling everything.

I agree the end wraps things up way too quickly, but it's nice to have something a bit unique to the typical stereotypical hero defeats monster theme you see in most Disney movies.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:37 pm to
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I too am a bit surprised about the negativity about the movie. The villain of the film is the toxic family structure that exists in the Madrigal family.

Most of the movie is pretty depressing, you see everyone under the stress of abuela controlling everything.

I agree the end wraps things up way too quickly, but it's nice to have something a bit unique to the typical stereotypical hero defeats monster theme you see in most Disney movies.


Yes, but Coco did that absolutely perfectly. People definitely lump this in with that film despite being much more grim than this movie. The problem is with the music is they very much seem like plot points they need to check off that explain something and then move on rather than intrinsically layered within the film. We hear like 4 renditions of Remember Me and that song is as good as a character in the film and probably the most brilliant song the studio has written since Hellfire. The film just kind of bounces around too much for my liking.

Seriously, what did the family learn? Talk about Bruno? The moral is clear in Coco: Do not lose yourself and your family over ambition and fame because the later will consume you and the former will hold you up. I’m honestly unsure what the actual moral of Encanto is.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 10:49 pm
Posted by extremetigerfanatic
Member since Oct 2003
5851 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:43 pm to
We Don’t Talk About Bruno just became the only Disney song to ever top the Billboard 100 for multiple weeks.

Peabo Bryson’s A Whole New World topped one week in 93. Only Disney songs to ever do it.

Reality says this thread is wrong.

My kids sing these songs every bit as much as Frozen. And Disney has a recent history of no real villain movies. They make it work.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:57 pm to
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We Don’t Talk About Bruno just became the only Disney song to ever top the Billboard 100 for multiple weeks.

Peabo Bryson’s A Whole New World topped one week in 93. Only Disney songs to ever do it.

Reality says this thread is wrong.

My kids sing these songs every bit as much as Frozen. And Disney has a recent history of no real villa


I have a collection of over 500 movies, 59 of which are animated (just went across the room and counted them). Neither Encanto nor Frozen are in it or worthy of it. Yes, Bruno is catchy, but Frozen’s soundtrack sure as shite also is and it’s not one of Disney’s better movies, more middle of the pack which I also consider Encanto. Just because it has a catchy soundtrack doesn’t make it great. Kudos to Lin-Manuel Miranda, but there isn’t a song to this soundtrack as intrinsic as say The Circle of Life, Beauty and the Beast, Part of Your World were to their respective films.
Posted by hth52
Member since Jun 2016
2836 posts
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:38 pm to
I don’t think Moana needed a villain. Not every story needs a villain. Frozen didn’t need one either, and they kinda forced it.

Disney movies haven’t had much of a villain character since Big Hero Six. Professor shows up a few times as a bad guy. I consider a villain to be a character who is present throughout the movie like that.

In Wreck it Ralph and Zootopia the bad guy was just another character who is revealed at the end. And they never really confront them/minions throughout the movie until the end. And in Frozen the guy just suddenly turns on Anna and decides to let her die.

Pixar isn’t that big into villains lately either unless you count the movie Coco. Outside of that the recent one would be Incredibles 2. They had good ones Early on with Hopper in Bugs’ Life, Waternoose/Randall in Monsters Inc, and Syndrome from Incredibles.

I also disagree with whoever said Pixar was being too serious. They always have some serious angle to their movies.
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