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re: Disney tacitly admits it made a multi-billion dollar mistake with 'Star Wars' land

Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:13 pm to
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:13 pm to
The frick are you going on about. Theres an OT themed ride still, which is what I said
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:17 pm to
No. There isn't. You might want to go back and read your own link. Here's the important portion for you:

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If you are lucky, you MIGHT get some original trilogy content on Star Tours. However, this is extremely unlikely because the scenes you get are "random" and Disney Star Wars is much more likely to promote Disney Star Wars instead of OT Star Wars.

ETA: The Star Tours you remember died with the sequel trilogy. They've been desecrating its corpse ever since.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 2:19 pm
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33510 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:23 pm to
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If you are lucky, you MIGHT get some original trilogy content on Star Tours. However, this is extremely unlikely because the scenes you get are "random" and Disney Star Wars is much more likely to promote Disney Star Wars instead of OT Star Wars. ETA: The Star Tours you remember died with the sequel trilogy.

I may have actually gotten lucky with OT bits the last time I rode it. Or not remember. Anyway that sucks
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65829 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:33 pm to
C3P0 is still the "guide," or was the last time we went, but they included him in the sequel trilogy, so they didn't really have to change that part. To that end, the line is still close to the original experience.

To guarantee you see OT stuff on the actual ride, you have to either get really lucky or ride it multiple times. We usually don't have time to ride it more than once so we get what we get and move on. Usually we get disappointment and nausea (only Disney ride that does this to me).
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 2:34 pm
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33510 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 2:41 pm to
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Usually we get disappointment and nausea (only Disney ride that does this to me).

That’s why I hate universal (OG park)
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 2:45 pm
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
49014 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:05 pm to
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The article doesn’t mention the $2500 a night Star Wars hotel that no one went to. Disney lost their arse off on that.


The cringe promo video for the hotel that Disney inexplicably made, reviewed, and was like “oh yeah, this is gonna sell it” is among the worst things to ever come out of the parks division.

I don’t put any stock into a thing Fox News has to say about pretty much anything but they’re totally spot on about this; Kennedy sucks and destroyed what used to be a tentpole franchise
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37525 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:42 pm to
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She was literally hand picked by George.


And the man regrets it now I'm sure.

From what I gather, he was under the impression that Kennedy was going to use his treatments for episodes seven, eight, and nine as a template for the sequel trilogy. Not only were they not used as a template, Kennedy quite literally threw them in the trash and started from scratch. As Bob Iger tells us in his book, Lucas was pretty irate about that


It struck me as a dishonest argument from KK to say that the new trilogy was forward looking.

Luke, Han, and Leia were in the series. A lot of the new stuff was focused on the rewrite of the original trilogy. Han didn't stop being a loner living with dog in a jalopy, he regressed. Luke stopped being an optimistic and courageous person and became a cynical coward who was pessimistic about everything including his own nephew.

You really aren't forward looking when you go about rewriting the characters from the past. It was also a terrible devaluation of IP
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
6126 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 3:42 pm to
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The article doesn’t mention the $2500 a night Star Wars hotel that no one went to. Disney lost their arse off on that.


The editorial isn't interested in financial analysis. It's the typical beating of a dead Kennedy. Makes sense, as that's what the people here eat up. Won't stop, can't stop, it seems.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43759 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 4:11 pm to
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Not only were they not used as a template, Kennedy quite literally threw them in the trash and started from scratch.


Do we know what the template was supposed to be?
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38661 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 4:18 pm to
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to invest this money in order to support the new trilogy, which they thought would erase the old one in the minds of fans.


You think Star Wars is the only one trying to erase the traditional feeling, storytelling, characters, world and ideas?

Outside of maybe Maverick, most other remakes and sequels from 70s to 90s stuff is strictly to "reinvent" it to subvert expectations and to destroy the originals.

Add all of the Narnia, Marvel, etc.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37801 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 4:20 pm to
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Not only were they not used as a template, Kennedy quite literally threw them in the trash and started from scratch. Do we know what the template was supposed to be?




Honestly the template in force awakens seemed fine.


It was clearly rian Johnson who screwed everything up.



I wonder what the series could have been with JJ Abrams controlling the whole thing.

The last Jedi sucked but it clearly was screwed over by what came immediately before it
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65829 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 5:16 pm to
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That’s why I hate universal (OG park)


The original Harry Potter ride makes me nauseous, but other than that I'm pretty good. What's weird is the new monsters land ride at Epic is supposedly a similar/the same track, but that ride doesn't bother my stomach at all.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71149 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 5:39 pm to
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Honestly the template in force awakens seemed fine.



I had my issues with it being a remake of A New Hope but I would agree in a vacuum it was a decent start. It made fans excited and set up a lot of questions for the fan base moving forward. I was definitely invested in Rey's journey and was looking forward to seeing Finn and Poe as well.

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It was clearly rian Johnson who screwed everything up.



Rian Johnson was merely a symptom of an overarching disease called Kathleen Kennedy. She is the one who ultimately told J.J. Abrams to focus on a brand new set of characters with little regard to the OG characters. I may be misremembering but I believe Abrams went through several drafts but had to abandon them because the story kept gravitating toward Luke (which should tell you something as a creative). Instead he solved this problem by beginning the final draft with the line: "Luke Skywalker is missing..."

Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
37801 posts
Posted on 4/19/26 at 5:47 pm to
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Rian Johnson was merely a symptom of an overarching disease called Kathleen Kennedy. She is the one who ultimately told J.J. Abrams to focus on a brand new set of characters with little regard to the OG characters. I may be misremembering but I believe Abrams went through several drafts but had to abandon them because the story kept gravitating toward Luke (which should tell you something as a creative). Instead he solved this problem by beginning the final draft with the line: "Luke Skywalker is missing..."



I just have a REALLY hard time believing that JJ intended snoke to be killed off with so little role as well as the lightsaber to be just cast off.


And I also have trouble believing that Kennedy is getting THAT far into the weeds to affect those two relatively small but key things. Particularly because in the snoke instance that forced them to bring back palpitine which the theory is her wanting to dissociate from the OT





Also rian brought in the awful marvel esque comedy
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 5:49 pm
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13233 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 3:58 am to
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Then reality struck: they made a trilogy that destroyed the OG characters. They elevated an insufferably annoying mary sue girl boss, added a pathetic loser son of Han, a divorced Leia and Han, a disillusioned and bitter Luke, and then killed Luke, Han, and Leia.

Simple and to the point as to what went wrong.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35934 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 5:56 am to
Reading this surprises me. I've been through Galaxy's Edge multiple times, gotten buzzed at the bar, did the full build your own lightsaber experience, etc.

I'm a 41 year old who grew up with Star Wars and a pretty needy superfan and I've always loved the immersion there. I don't need it to be Tantooine and have Luke and Han walking around as long as they nail the Star Wars feeling and experience and they absolutely did.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77637 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:00 am to
Galaxy's Edge should've always been Galactic Civil War era.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5688 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:22 am to
I wish Disney had avoided the years/decades after ROTJ and just let Luke, Han, Leia, etc., have the happily ever after we all imagined for them after the celebration scene on Endor. That should have been the ending of the Skywalker saga.

Fast forward 1,000 years with an entirely new cast and conflict.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115431 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 10:43 am to
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The level of hubris around this is one for the business industry history books.


This

This

So fricking this!!!!!

Saw original Star Wars 13 times in the theater during first run (was in the theater for almost 2 years).

Loved it. The characters. The world's. Everything.

Was fired up for the prequels. But for JarJar and miticlorians, Phantom Menace would have been a borderline great movie. Overall, not a good as the original, but not a complete disaster either.

Force Awakens was an entertaining, albeit fairly unoriginal film, but as the author said, it set things up and built interest. Rogue One came next and was a great film - perfectly setting up the original trilogy (little did we know there would be a prequel [Andor] that was one if the best series ever).

Then TLJ. The frick... seriously, what the frick? I was infuriated leaving the theater. It was as if TPTB decided to nuke the whole fricking franchise - and Solo (which is not a bad film) absolutely suffered the consequences. Rise of Skywalker was a hot mess that in trying to course correct, just made things worse.

When Kennedy's epitaph is written, history will not be kind.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77637 posts
Posted on 4/20/26 at 11:29 am to
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Fast forward 1,000 years with an entirely new cast and conflict.

I'd sooner go backwards 10,000 and have KOTOR-era content.
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