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Breesus
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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Star Wars is creatively bankrupt


Disney Studios is creatively bankrupt.

Star Wars has a frick load of material never put on the silver screen.


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OMLandshark
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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Mike would be a great consultant


For TFA at least, I think he was. Every bit of his criticism of the prequels is not there in the film. Damon Lindelof was the one who made him spread, and Simon Pegg (who is in the movie) is a huge fan as well. He even says at one point that JJ should have directed the prequels, and Disney hires him as the director. JJ has almost certainly seen them. Rian Johnson has admitted to seeing them:



So it will be gravy knowing he will watch the Plinkett Review over the pile of garbage he just gave us.


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OMLandshark
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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Are you referring to Mr. Plinkett? Or the actual Red Letter Media reviews? Because there's a difference.


Mike is almost certainly a high functioning alcoholic. Maybe Jay as well. Everyone knows it. He lives in Milwaukee for god’s sake, which probably has the biggest drinking population in the country.


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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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the fans didn't grow up with the Skywalkers coming to life from comic books or on Saturday morning cartoons
Disney didn't buy Star Wars with people from the 70's and 80's in mind. You and I are not their target audience.


tiggerthetooth
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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Disney didn't buy Star Wars with people from the 70's and 80's in mind. You and I are not their target audience.


Except, why even pay all of that money for an IP that's already well established? Why set yourself up where every movie you make with the "Star Wars" title is going to be compared against the previous movies with "Star Wars" titles?


If they wanted to change it all up then why not create something entirely different instead of something already well established?

People coming to see star wars are generally looking for something very specific, and its ridiculous to suggest its something completely new and different. The people who are going to see Star Wars in present day are very likely people who would have gone to see Star Wars in the past. They aren't pulling many Bridesmaids or Princess Diaries fans...maybe I can be corrected on that, but I highly doubt it.
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EGCROSS
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
The main problem to me is their lack of competent writers. They should use Timothy's Zahn or many of the other sci-fi writers. These modern pseudo-intellectual directors in Hollywood don't get it they never will. They didn't have to use the expanded universe per se but they could definitely used some of the writers from the expanded universe to write Scripts and then have a competent director follow it. It's not that hard.


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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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And are mystified that we aren't excited about that

You mean, mystified to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars?


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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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If they wanted to change it all up then why not create something entirely different instead of something already well established?

Because the Star Wars name attached to anything will print money. Random Space Adventure Movie will not make as much money.


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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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You mean, mystified to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars?

No, mystified that they paid $4B for the property, and now are looking at not leaving a billion on the table. That they have already spent


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tiggerthetooth
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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The main problem to me is their lack of competent writers. They should use Timothy's Zahn or many of the other sci-fi writers. These modern pseudo-intellectual directors in Hollywood don't get it they never will. They didn't have to use the expanded universe per se but they could definitely used some of the writers from the expanded universe to write Scripts and then have a competent director follow it. It's not that hard.



They also need some pre-screeners to tell them the movie sucks arse if it sucks ass. I would straight up tell them everything wrong with it, but I doubt anyone ever disagrees with the movies if they're invited to pre-screenings, or consulted on the set.


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lsupride87
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
It's a damn Movie

Holy shite the Op sums up my exact thoughts on the melt being from people with no perspective


Breesus
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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It's a damn Movie


That's the problem. It fails at the basic aspect of just "being a movie".

It abandons almost every core aspect of good story telling.

As a stand alone:

It has no recognizable plot, the "protagonist" undergoes no change or struggle or conflict and is absent the last third of the movie, the "final conflict" moment of the film is fake, none of the characters experience any meaningful growth, there is no real antagonist, there is no threat of conflict and resolution that binds the plot, half the movie is a subplot with no relation to the rest of the movie, characters are routinely introduced and then killed with no meaning or purpose, almost every action climax is immediately changed or fails to climax which is tiring to the viewer, etc..

As a second movie in a trilogy:

It in no way advances the plot of the trilogy, it actively destroys parts of the first movie, and it leaves no where to go. There's no one to even care about anymore.

It's just a horribly made movie that was written and directed by a guy who has only made 3 other Hollywood movies.

Disney Studios made a trilogy out of one of the most profitable and recognized IPs in the world and they gave the second movie to an unproven and unpolished hack with complete autonomy. It's a mind blowingly stupid decision by the studio.

Yes. The special effects in space were cool, but the story and script made Michael Bay seem like Homer, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Apollonius, Twain, and Orwell all rolled into one.


tiggerthetooth
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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It's a damn Movie

Holy shite the Op sums up my exact thoughts on the melt being from people with no perspective


Hate to break it to you, but this is the movie/tv board baw, people discuss MOVIES on here.

Maybe try the OT if you aren't okay discussing movies.


lsupride87
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
I am fine with discussing movies. Read the OPs diatribe, he makes Star Wars sound like life and death



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They are treating it as if they bought some cartoon or comic book characters, which is their legacy. But the fans didn't grow up with the Skywalkers coming to life from comic books or on Saturday morning cartoons. We were introduced to them on massive movie screens, with a family history that was larger than life.


Breesus
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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he makes Star Wars sound like life and death



Have you never read a book that changed your life? Listen to a song or album that changed your whole perspective? Seen artwork that made you appreciate beauty?

Do you not understand the relationship humans have with art?


lsupride87
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Have you never read a book that changed your life? Listen to a song or album that changed your whole perspective? Seen artwork that made you appreciate beauty?

Do you not understand the relationship humans have with art?


To read this, and to realize you are saying this in reference to Star Wars, yeesh

LucasP, can you respond here?


Seriously though, I get we all have different likes


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red_giraffe
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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That's funny coming from you. You have been up in every thread saying how great that crappy movie was You have terrible judgment



You're a dumbass. I know him personally. He hates it. And he hasn't said anything positive about it on this board. He's only talked about the stupidity of posting shitloads of threads on here. Learn to read basic English.
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red_giraffe
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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high functioning alcoholic.


You say that like it's a bad thing.


OMLandshark
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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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You say that like it's a bad thing.


I surround myself with them, so that’s not meant as an insult.


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re: Disney simply cannot comprehend what they have in Star Wars
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If they wanted to change it all up then why not create something entirely different instead of something already well established?

Because the Star Wars name attached to anything will print money. Random Space Adventure Movie will not make as much money.


Yeah, this.

I mean, I guess Disney could invest a couple hundred million into a "blockbuster" Sci Fi, have the story revolve around beautiful effects and visuals, an adventurous rogue hero, have a smart and sexy heroine for him to be jousting with.

Oh, they did, it was called "John Carter". And it was actually pretty damn entertaining. A ton more fun than TLJ, and there were open storylines available for future films, both on Barsoom and in a romantic period of Earth history.
But it didn't make any money for the studio, so they canned it.

Star Wars on the other hand, they can slap the SW title and opening crawl with John Williams score on a Rejuveme infomercial, and they would make a shit-ton of money.


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