re: Director Admits Transformers 2 was crap

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It doesn't matter if they saw it in theaters they still knew what it was.

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Yeah it was the gay cowboy movie that was used as a joke. I'm sure everyone who cracked a joke about it or used it in a joke knew all the stars of the movie, right?

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I think probably 70% of people knew who Heath Ledger was before Batman. I'M NOT SAYING THEY SAW THE MOVIE. IM SAYING THEY KNEW OF THE MOVIE.

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So 70% of people who saw The Dark Knight knew who he was before his involvement in the movie? So before he was ever cast as The Joker, before his death, before he delivered an incredible performance 70% of TDK viewers knew exactly who he was?

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agreed but people know about it.

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Knowing of something's existence =/= knowing about it. I know Miley Cyrus makes music, but I don't know (or give a damn) about her music, savvy?

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I didn't say it was just my friends but I know it as a fact that alot of people my age watch those award shows.

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Your age demographic is more likely to watch the MTV Movie Awards than the Oscars. Hell my aunt and uncle watched the Oscars despite the fact that they didn't see a single movie on the Best Picture nominee list (with the exception of Toy Story 3). Hell I watch a lot of movies and I only saw Inception and Toy Story 3 (I'll catch True Grit on Netflix).

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Yeah it was the gay cowboy movie that was used as a joke. I'm sure everyone who cracked a joke about it or used it in a joke knew all the stars of the movie, right?

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they'd seen him in other things and knew his name.

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So 70% of people who saw The Dark Knight knew who he was before his involvement in the movie? So before he was ever cast as The Joker, before his death, before he delivered an incredible performance 70% of TDK viewers knew exactly who he was?

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yep. Either by just knowing his name or by seeing his movies.

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Knowing of something's existence =/= knowing about it. I know Miley Cyrus makes music, but I don't know (or give a damn) about her music, savvy?

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point is you know who she is. You might not be able to name one of her songs or her movies but you know who she is. That is the point.

so most everyone who saw TDK didn't know who the hell heath ledger was before watching it?

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I couldn't disagree more. I don't know of any of my friends who has ever talked about watching the MTV movie awards and yet many of them were saying they were going to watch the Oscars.

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So you are saying that teens are more likely to watch and have an interest in the Oscars than the MTV Movie awards?

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you hold the dumbest view on the planet that film isn't art to where you have no business posting on a film board talking down to us like a condescending prick like you always are. And he's right by the way.

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To be fair, gamecock alum mentioned movie, never mentioned film.

I think there is a difference, and the semantics is what's making this thread enjoyable to read.

I also think there is truth to what Gamecock alum is saying about Heath Ledger not being a household name until his role/death. Don't hate it, it's just how it is.

I recognized Heath in 10 Things I hate about you and all his roles after that, but he wasn't as well known until TDK. I'm not going to throw percentages out there.

But about Transformers 2: it was a let down, the first one set up their credibility for a fan-backed trilogy. The second one didn't deliver because they didn't have their hearts in the right place.

Bay is a good director in what he does. Don't give him a script that is Citizen Kane though. I have found may hours of enjoyment from most of his movies.

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Such as??? The biggest movie he was in before TDK was The Patriot and he was a supporting character in that. He died roughly halfway through the movie.

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in at least 1 of the movies that's been previously mentioned.

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Citizen Kane

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has one of the biggest plotholes in ceinamtic history.

So Charles Foster Kane is dying and his last word is Rosebud and he drops the snowglobe. His nurse/caretaker walks in and then the media hunt to figure out what the meaning of Rosebud begins.

So who exactly heard him say Rosebud? No one was in the room. The nurse/caretaker didn't walk into the room until AFTER he dropped the snowglobe. So who heard him utter Rosebud? Does he possess ESP?

I don't see how anyone can say that it is the greatest film of all time when it opens with a glaring plothole.

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has one of the biggest plotholes in ceinamtic history.

So Charles Foster Kane is dying and his last word is Rosebud and he drops the snowglobe. His nurse/caretaker walks in and then the media hunt to figure out what the meaning of Rosebud begins.

So who exactly heard him say Rosebud? No one was in the room. The nurse/caretaker didn't walk into the room until AFTER he dropped the snowglobe. So who heard him utter Rosebud? Does he possess ESP?

I don't see how anyone can say that it is the greatest film of all time when it opens with a glaring plothole.

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I'd bet a million dollars that you have not seen Citizen Kane. Plus she was right outside the door, likely listening in to make sure nothing happened to him. Not a plot hole.